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My god those builds.


Just copy GMan's Extreme Range BLR-2C (5x ERLLAS, STD 330) and his Medium Range BLR-2C (5x LPL, 350XL).

http://metamechs.com...ists/comp-list/

Get 2 BLR-2Cs.

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Yeonne Greene, on 06 May 2017 - 06:31 PM, said:

IIRC, some of GMan's BLR builds are using Standard Engines They just aren't boating SHS, too.

You'll see BLR pilots flip-slop between STD/XLs often. Do it often enough and people stop trying to focus your side torso because you waste a decent amount of effort to pull that off, granted speed is potentially less important in CW than in a comp conquest match.

Kubernetes, on 06 May 2017 - 06:34 PM, said:

There is an IS meta for CW, and the BLR-2C w/ 5LPL and XL engine certainly qualifies. You need the XL for the speed to get in and out of pokes and to torso twist. It's one of the few IS assault that can deal with waves of Mad IICs and Kodiaks.

If the Mad-IIC wasn't available I would say it is best assault for the tonnage, but the Mad-IIC is available, so honestly I would say the Clans have the advantage even there. Boreal might be the sole exception where the BLR-2C is probably more worth the tonnage, and even that is potentially questionable.

El Bandito, on 07 May 2017 - 02:46 AM, said:

In that case why not use 5xLLasers? They cost 3 tons less, has 33% more range. More heat is the only noticeable downside. That's what I got on my dual AMS BLR-2C build.

4 LPL vs 5 LL is a rough comparison because iLL are just in a rough spot. They don't have enough range to justify taking them over the amazingness that are LPLs because that extra heat/duration makes a huge difference in effectiveness. Plus that range (500-700) is easily dominated by cLPL boats (Warhawk C) or the AWS-8Q with PPC spam.

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 08 May 2017 - 09:13 AM.

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Quicksilver Kalasa, on 08 May 2017 - 09:12 AM, said:

If the Mad-IIC wasn't available I would say it is best assault for the tonnage, but the Mad-IIC is available, so honestly I would say the Clans have the advantage even there. Boreal might be the sole exception where the BLR-2C is probably more worth the tonnage, and even that is potentially questionable.

I'd say they're fairly close, but remember that with the drop deck tonnage differential an IS player can bring two Battlemasters and still follow with a Warhammer and a Locust, whereas two Mad IICs leaves a Clanner screwed in a close match.

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Kubernetes, on 08 May 2017 - 09:22 AM, said:

I'd say they're fairly close

Depends on the situation, for pushing, the Mad-IIC with LPL/ERML or MPL is just better for the tonnage than a BLR-2C. For long range, the Mad-IIC once again wins because of PPC/UAC5/Gauss. Short range is hands down in favor of the Mad-IIC. Only thing where the Mad-IIC is lackluster at is extreme range where ERLL or ERPPCs (with velocity quirks) are king. Any map that heavily favors high mounts (maps like Polar for example) definitely favor the Battlemaster a bit more, but it still has plenty of its own weaknesses (heat limits it DPS a bit more, IS engines, cockpit often gets headshot).

That said, you are correct about the tonnage limit differences, but then again, the Clans also have access to the Night Gyr which is a beast of a mech. I mean if I wanted to, I could 4 of the top meta Clan mechs in a single drop deck (MAD-IIC, NGR, HBK-IIC, ACH) or for a brawlier strat (GAR, ON1-IIC, NVA, JR7-IIC).

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 08 May 2017 - 09:31 AM.

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Quicksilver Kalasa, on 08 May 2017 - 09:12 AM, said:

You'll see BLR pilots flip-slop between STD/XLs often. Do it often enough and people stop trying to focus your side torso because you waste a decent amount of effort to pull that off, granted speed is potentially less important in CW than in a comp conquest match.

Yeah, my own internal logic is LPL= XL, using sheer aggression and damage to compensate. Few 'Mechs can survive a 5x LPL Battlemaster baring down on them. ERLL, it exposes more so it needs to weather more incoming.

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ingramli, on 08 May 2017 - 08:10 AM, said:

STD225 Battlemaster? Lemme backstab it!

Backstab it? I don't see how anything slower than a Daishi could possibly hope to get behind it!

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Yeonne Greene, on 08 May 2017 - 09:31 AM, said:

Yeah, my own internal logic is LPL= XL, using sheer aggression and damage to compensate. Few 'Mechs can survive a 5x LPL Battlemaster baring down on them.

Depends on how aggressive you wanna be, I know in Star League we ran STD 3 LPL/3 ML builds for more aggressive pushes since that affords you much more staying power (though we dumped that idea because 3 LPL/3 ML just can't do what cSPL can in that scenario).

Yeonne Greene, on 08 May 2017 - 09:31 AM, said:

ERLL, it exposes more so it needs to weather more incoming.

Being able to swing to different positions fast is also pretty important, and really XL can weather similar incoming damage, you just have to be more careful about a torso getting isolated whereas the STD only has to worry about the CT getting isolated (only counter ERLL will really isolate the CT though).



Side note: 4 ERPPC Warhawk is actually more threatening in the extreme range trade game than an ERLL Battlemaster unless high mounts are absolutely necessary (think Polar vs Frozen).

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 08 May 2017 - 09:42 AM.

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Quicksilver Kalasa, on 08 May 2017 - 09:26 AM, said:

Depends on the situation, for pushing, the Mad-IIC with LPL/ERML or MPL is just better for the tonnage than a BLR-2C. For long range, the Mad-IIC once again wins because of PPC/UAC5/Gauss. Short range is hands down in favor of the Mad-IIC. Only thing where the Mad-IIC is lackluster at is extreme range where ERLL or ERPPCs (with velocity quirks) are king. Any map that heavily favors high mounts (maps like Polar for example) definitely favor the Battlemaster a bit more, but it still has plenty of its own weaknesses (heat limits it DPS a bit more, IS engines, cockpit often gets headshot).

Dunno man, massed BLR-2Cs are something else. We had a match where 9 of us in BLRs beat an 11-Kodiak wave. Think Mad-IICs could do that? Doubtful, because the Mad-IIC is a squishy marshmallow compared to the Battlemaster. I do think the Mad is the best Clan assault for FW.

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Kubernetes, on 08 May 2017 - 01:20 PM, said:

We had a match where 9 of us in BLRs beat an 11-Kodiak wave.

Then someone screwed up somewhere, did you think ever think that there was a skill discrepancy there that might've complicated things? Hell, not everyone knows how to pilot it either, just being a good player can only get you so far.

Kubernetes, on 08 May 2017 - 01:20 PM, said:

Doubtful, because the Mad-IIC is a squishy marshmallow compared to the Battlemaster.

The Mad-IIC is only squishy if you don't play it right.....sure the BLR-2C has the advantage of structure, but you can also XL check it (if it doesn't have an XL, then it lacks firepower). Clan XL makes the Mad IIC everything that Stalker and IS Marauder wish they could be.

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 08 May 2017 - 04:46 PM.