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#21 Y E O N N E

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Posted 12 May 2017 - 08:23 PM

View PostQueen of England, on 12 May 2017 - 08:05 PM, said:

Why would you put LPLs on a fast light mech? Its going to run either 4xSRM4, 6xSRM2, or 7xSPLs, depending on the variant. (Obviously those aren't the only options, but I think they'll be the most popular). I suppose that 4E variant might use LPLs, but its more likely to just not be used at all.


5x MPL is probably going to be more popular than 7x SPL. Better range, better damage, still super short on duration.

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Posted 12 May 2017 - 08:25 PM

View PostTed Wayz, on 12 May 2017 - 04:02 PM, said:

So will you kick it old school and use the Javelin as a missile boat or will you make the 11A a mini Grasshopper? Or take Confucius' advice and take the middle road with the HT?

I am guessing the meta lords will decree the only good loadout involves 2 large pulses on the 10F aka Assassin.

And is all of this depressing? That a mech can't fulfill it's role in lore without being decried DOA for doing so.


Dual lpl is NOT the best build on an assassin.

#23 Queen of England

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Posted 12 May 2017 - 08:38 PM

View PostYeonne Greene, on 12 May 2017 - 08:23 PM, said:


5x MPL is probably going to be more popular than 7x SPL. Better range, better damage, still super short on duration.


Very possible. The SPLs do have better DPS (which admittedly isn't very important) and better heat efficiency, though.

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Posted 12 May 2017 - 08:48 PM

I'm refusing the 7 laser model, but the ECM has potential when C-bills, the rest are mine.

Look let's just point out the obvious, 4 torso mounted energy isn't enough for most people. 4 SPL's can keep up significant damage when applied right - most will go MPL. Advantage of the 10N and 10F is the engine cap, but I don't know that anything over 270 is useful. I also don't think Artemis is worth the tonnage at this point, and we'll probably see more economy with SRM2/4's. I've had some satisfying results with SRM4x2 (on other chassis), but you can't duel an ACH with that. Your prey is always bigger and slower than you.

Hit and run folks, shed your useless arms, target oblivious fatties, don't try to out jump a Spider. Once we get new tech, then we get creative.

View PostYeonne Greene, on 12 May 2017 - 06:59 PM, said:


You can fit three and some MedLas. Eh, why not just take a whole bunch of ERML and use the extra tons for DHS?


Because quad thunder nipples!

Edited by stealthraccoon, 12 May 2017 - 09:38 PM.


#25 Ted Wayz

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Posted 13 May 2017 - 04:10 AM

View PostWrathOfDeadguy, on 12 May 2017 - 08:14 PM, said:

It's not a chassis that really excites me from a fanbody or a gameplay perspective, though.

Main reason I bought it was for nostalgia.

As with all mechs the hitboxes will decide how effective this mech is. I am sure many loadouts will be messed around with, but in the end the ones that will be used repeatedly over time will be quite predictable. Even with new tech and skill tree eventually within a couple months everything will normalize because of the reward system. Which is a shame.

View Poststealthraccoon, on 12 May 2017 - 08:48 PM, said:

Because quad thunder nipples!

I know a girl with three nipples. No magical powers unfortunately.

#26 MauttyKoray

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Posted 13 May 2017 - 04:24 AM

View PostAlan Davion, on 12 May 2017 - 04:12 PM, said:

Got to be meta-cheese-effective or it's DOA.

People have clearly gotten used to, and even just plain expect at this point, every mech to power creep the mech that came before it.

Yeah, screw that, I run a bunch of non-meta builds and can pull some numbers. Its all about how you make what you're riding in effective.

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Posted 13 May 2017 - 08:21 AM

View PostMauttyKoray, on 13 May 2017 - 04:24 AM, said:

Yeah, screw that, I run a bunch of non-meta builds and can pull some numbers. Its all about how you make what you're riding in effective.


And on rare occasions, when I am spending what little free time I have, I will play games for the sake of having fun (because LPL's are dull).

Edited by stealthraccoon, 13 May 2017 - 08:22 AM.


#28 Y E O N N E

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Posted 13 May 2017 - 08:26 AM

View Poststealthraccoon, on 12 May 2017 - 08:48 PM, said:

Because quad thunder nipples!


You'll have to go even slower than an XL250 to get four tho'...

#29 El Bandito

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Posted 13 May 2017 - 08:34 AM

Javelin's gonna be deadlier than other IS 30 ton alternatives. Which is nice.

View PostTed Wayz, on 12 May 2017 - 04:02 PM, said:

So will you kick it old school and use the Javelin as a missile boat or will you make the 11A a mini Grasshopper? Or take Confucius' advice and take the middle road with the HT?


I'm gonna put 6xRL20s on it and do Allahu Akbar on an Assault mech's arse.

Edited by El Bandito, 13 May 2017 - 08:40 AM.


#30 Juodas Varnas

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Posted 13 May 2017 - 08:39 AM

View PostEl Bandito, on 13 May 2017 - 08:34 AM, said:

Javelin's gonna be deadlier than other IS 30 ton alternatives. Which is nice.

Only because there is no DREADED 6xMG SPIDER in MWO!

#31 Monkey Lover

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Posted 13 May 2017 - 10:50 AM

View PostBishop Steiner, on 12 May 2017 - 06:14 PM, said:

Maybe. Those legs are pretty dang skinny though, might make a difference.

But I got no horse in the race since I thought it looked like butt in the first place, and generally don't do Lights.


Ok I have a plan I'm going to wait for the ngng video(today?). If no one in the video shoots at the mechs legs I know it's going to be just junk. If they do and it survives like a artic cheater or spider than I will keep my order.

#32 WrathOfDeadguy

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Posted 13 May 2017 - 11:24 AM

View PostJuodas Varnas, on 13 May 2017 - 08:39 AM, said:

Only because there is no DREADED 6xMG SPIDER in MWO!


More like only because Urbie took pity on all the other, lesser 'Mechs and decided to go easy on them.

#33 Bishop Steiner

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Posted 13 May 2017 - 11:54 AM

View PostMonkey Lover, on 13 May 2017 - 10:50 AM, said:


Ok I have a plan I'm going to wait for the ngng video(today?). If no one in the video shoots at the mechs legs I know it's going to be just junk. If they do and it survives like a artic cheater or spider than I will keep my order.

that's actually a pretty good approach. Be curious to the results myself.

I know after a week of scouting my aim has trended a lot lower.

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Posted 13 May 2017 - 12:20 PM

Even though quirks are going to be ganked soon I still think the Javelin would need more but /shrug.

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Posted 13 May 2017 - 12:33 PM

140 kph is the ideal speed to balance out the weight of a decent SRM loadout.

2x SRM-4
2x SRM-2
1 JJ
Rest of the tonnage goes to ammo when you deplete the arm armor.

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Posted 13 May 2017 - 12:36 PM

View PostJuodas Varnas, on 13 May 2017 - 08:39 AM, said:

Only because there is no DREADED 6xMG SPIDER in MWO!

There's gonna be 8-MG Mist Lynxes and Arctic Cheetahs Soon™ instead...

#37 Juodas Varnas

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Posted 13 May 2017 - 12:38 PM

View PostFupDup, on 13 May 2017 - 12:36 PM, said:

There's gonna be 8-MG Mist Lynxes and Arctic Cheetahs Soon™ instead...

But those are CLAN mgs, which are totally not the same but 50% lighter!
So they're totally fine.

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Posted 13 May 2017 - 12:51 PM

View PostFupDup, on 13 May 2017 - 12:36 PM, said:

There's gonna be 8-MG Mist Lynxes and Arctic Cheetahs Soon™ instead...


8 heavy machinegun cheater is going to be fun, only down side is it will be very limited on ammo.

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Posted 13 May 2017 - 01:59 PM

View PostMonkey Lover, on 13 May 2017 - 12:51 PM, said:


8 heavy machinegun cheater is going to be fun, only down side is it will be very limited on ammo.

something those getting buttpuckered over the Piranha miss... to a higher degree, since it's also 10 tons lighter.

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Posted 13 May 2017 - 02:05 PM

View PostMadHornet, on 13 May 2017 - 12:33 PM, said:

140 kph is the ideal speed to balance out the weight of a decent SRM loadout.

2x SRM-4
2x SRM-2
1 JJ
Rest of the tonnage goes to ammo when you deplete the arm armor.

This sounds unique...





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