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[CycKath]

KekistanWillRiseAgain, on 14 May 2017 - 06:45 PM, said:

It is not "rumors"... its Sourcebook material. I mean the Minnesota Tribe part of the Clan Wolverine is what became The Blood, the other surviving part of Clan Wolverine ended up invading and taking over part of Nueva Castile in what is now known as the Umayyad Caliphate. So by using the 331st Regiment patch then you are very clearly defining who you are talking about in regards to Clan Wolverine.

A sourcebook that's intentionally full of questionable rumors, followed by later sourcebooks that point out that decades later in universe nobody is able to prove The Blood were reak and that they seemed to exist purely to make the Ghost Bears who wanted to stay out the Jihad blindly go all in on the conflict. The Blake Documents version of events on the Wolverine Annihilation conflicts with Betrayal of Ideals which further undermines it too.

[The Soul Hunter]

Betrayer of Ideals was that book they re-released last year? It doesn't paint Nicholas Kerensky in a flattering light. Like when he eats with the other khans he gets to finish first before they can touch their food and stuff like that. It honestly makes him seem kind of unhinged and prone to outbursts of rage. He had already pretty much picked out clan wolverine because they weren't coming down on their non warrior classes as hard as the other clans (I think they also found a Brian Cache that they didn't share and won in a trial of possession from jade falcon) as well as using them to unite the clans and he let clan widowmaker take the fall for it basically. After reading what I've read of it I have to say is the best thing clan widowmaker did was merc his ***. Also apparently both versions of the book are considered canon both the short story they did and then the re-release last year

http://www.sarna.net...rayal_of_Ideals

Edited by The Soul Hunter, 15 May 2017 - 03:03 AM.

[SmokedJag]

KekistanWillRiseAgain, on 14 May 2017 - 11:42 PM, said:

considering PGI and Clanners broke Canon & changed Lore... it can NEVER be described as "fair and square". You would have needed to Bid away assets and adhered to Zellbrigen to have any Honor, since that did not happen then you get no honor or glory cause none was earned. Just scorn for playing easy mode clam mechs in a broken system that heavily favors you.

Hey, double Night Gyr deck is 90 tons below limit. Very honorable. It is not like the other two 'Mechs are getting used...

[Zergling]

KekistanWillRiseAgain, on 14 May 2017 - 06:45 PM, said:

It is not "rumors"... its Sourcebook material. I mean the Minnesota Tribe part of the Clan Wolverine is what became The Blood, the other surviving part of Clan Wolverine ended up invading and taking over part of Nueva Castile in what is now known as the Umayyad Caliphate. So by using the 331st Regiment patch then you are very clearly defining who you are talking about in regards to Clan Wolverine.

But CW is meaningless and as such it is back to being dead until they either bribe people enough to be willing to play it or they release a new version that gets played for a week before everyone quits again. So setting or resetting is pointless... no one cares

It was in a sourcebook, but it is a canon rumor that players/game masters get to decide if it is true or not.
As such, it is treated as 'unconfirmed' from an in-universe perspective.
The rumor itself did result in Clan Ghost Bear committing to a campaign to destroy the Word of Blake, but the Bears were never able to confirm it, and they may have actually been fooled by an elaborate hoax.

Interstellar Players and Jihad Conspiracies: Interstellar Players 2 and had even more outlandish canon rumors, like the one about the Word of Blake Manei Domini actually living inside hyperspace on the surface of stars.

Edited by Zergling, 15 May 2017 - 03:43 AM.

[Trenchbird]

Vellron2005, on 14 May 2017 - 11:34 PM, said:

I truly, deeply, believe that PGI should. after 3 consecutive victories of Tukayyid events by the Clans, finally acknowledge this, and give us some honor, glory and spoils.

We broke cannon, we changed lore, we won it fair and square, and PGI is currently like "yeah, whatever"..

Give us our due! At least publicly acknowledge our greatness!

Hahahaaahahaha... Seriously? I saw more teamwork on Clan teams than on IS teams. That crap just ain't the Clan Way.

In universe, the IS won because *none of the houses* helped, and none of the Clans helped eachother. Comstar did all the damn work on Tuk. They had the advantage of knowing and planning to fight a long-term war of attrition, filled with ambushes, artillery, more ambushes, using the terrain to their advantage (Such as hiding mechs powered-down underground, or hiding sinkholes, or setting up decoy stockpiles), and the advantage of ancient star league logistics/strategic/tactical planning that the Clans were wholly unprepared for.

It's set up in the lore than the Clans, aside from Clan Wolf, were horrendously under-prepared. Most who had any measure of success got so out of spite and a drive for retribution than actual planning.

TL-DR; You can brag you won Tukayyid if you had beaten several Tier-1 Meta/role following 12-mans who all rode in white mechs, that could start the match burrowed underground, could see sinkholes Clanners couldn't, had access to infantry, tank, air, and artillery support, are exclusively playing on defense in either close range or medium range fights, and play on maps that all heavily favor the defender. With limited support at best.

As it stands, you beat a few idiot PUGgles and a few 12-mans who were... You know, I don't really know why some 12-mans switched to IS.

Edited by Catten Hart, 15 May 2017 - 11:16 AM.

[xe N on]

Yes, you can have Terra ...

what you would like? Terra preta? Or Terra rossa?

[Valhallan]

Catten Hart, on 15 May 2017 - 11:12 AM, said:

Hahahaaahahaha... Seriously? I saw more teamwork on Clan teams than on IS teams. That crap just ain't the Clan Way.

In universe, the IS won because *none of the houses* helped, and none of the Clans helped eachother. Comstar did all the damn work on Tuk. They had the advantage of knowing and planning to fight a long-term war of attrition, filled with ambushes, artillery, more ambushes, using the terrain to their advantage (Such as hiding mechs powered-down underground, or hiding sinkholes, or setting up decoy stockpiles), and the advantage of ancient star league logistics/strategic/tactical planning that the Clans were wholly unprepared for.

It's set up in the lore than the Clans, aside from Clan Wolf, were horrendously under-prepared. Most who had any measure of success got so out of spite and a drive for retribution than actual planning.

TL-DR; You can brag you won Tukayyid if you had beaten several Tier-1 Meta/role following 12-mans who all rode in white mechs, that could start the match burrowed underground, could see sinkholes Clanners couldn't, had access to infantry, tank, air, and artillery support, are exclusively playing on defense in either close range or medium range fights, and play on maps that all heavily favor the defender. With limited support at best.

As it stands, you beat a few idiot PUGgles and a few 12-mans who were... You know, I don't really know why some 12-mans switched to IS.

Feth Comstar, sure they "saved the day" in tuk, but it only got that bad in the first place because those asses were selling out the houses by leaking all their intel/battleplans and suppressing information on the clans. True the houses weren't united to begin with, but part of why it took so long for them to get together to mount a response was due to comstars fething about with coms and they didn't actually know what the heck they were fighting until later on. Of course i understand why the developers made them do it, given the amount of resources the houses could mobilize and the origins of the clans, if comstar didn't sell out the IS and crippled their response capability then the clans wouldn't even be a credible threat unless they had been layered in so much magic plot armor that even the davions would seem nekkid.

Now as to MWO, sorry but your tuk fighting was actually just beating up standard garrisons and scattered armies, that were fethed thanks to comstar, in what would become the occupation zones. You only win Terra if you can beat the 12-man PGI team (since they ARE comstar, which frames all their IS decisions in a new light ) lead by PGI Focht (whoever that is) with his dev console open fething you about with longtom strikes (as the lore focht did with the clans).

[MischiefSC]

Clans didn't win.

Mercenary Caste seized power from the feeble Warrior Caste.

Clan GitPaid swept the war and your new IlKhan is the Cbill.

[MechaBattler]

PGI should have introduced a comguard mech pack. I wonder why they missed that opportunity?

[MischiefSC]

Pfft. PGI should release an 'ultimate mercenaries' pack with the best mechs from every faction in 1 pack, Clan and IS, to honor the real champions.

[Logan812]

MechaBattler, on 15 May 2017 - 12:06 PM, said:

PGI should have introduced a comguard mech pack. I wonder why they missed that opportunity?

Because doing simple IS vs Clan is a lot easier than actually being close to the canon with Comstar eventually getting involved in battle as well as IS vs IS and Clan vs Clan fighting going on.

It's a huge missed opportunity that would've made an actually fun and involving Faction Play mode where not only IS vs Clan matters but also the individual factions themselves instead of what we got which was just okay at best and not as fun as Quick Play at worst.

[MechaBattler]

Well I was just thinking of it being an IS pack. But it's made up of mechs that were rare and mostly used by Comstar. Just a little flavor.

[KekistanWillRiseAgain]

CycKath, on 15 May 2017 - 12:29 AM, said:

A sourcebook that's intentionally full of questionable rumors, followed by later sourcebooks that point out that decades later in universe nobody is able to prove The Blood were reak and that they seemed to exist purely to make the Ghost Bears who wanted to stay out the Jihad blindly go all in on the conflict. The Blake Documents version of events on the Wolverine Annihilation conflicts with Betrayal of Ideals which further undermines it too.

Except Comstar did the exact same thing with Smoke Jaguars when they created Fidelis and then gave them to Devlin Stone (who was a brainwashed/indoctrinated Arthur Steiner-Davion from the assassination plot they did and blamed on Katrina) as part of the facade that there is a difference between Word of Blake and Comstar. So when trying to say that something is "rumors" it is much better when there is not a well established pattern of behavior to look at... Comstar then went on to turn on the HHPG machine to spark the Dark Age by ruining interstellar communications as part of their long term goals of conquering the Inner Sphere.

[Novakaine]

[TLBFestus]

Thinkagain01, on 14 May 2017 - 02:20 PM, said:

Just a Island would be nice.

No island for you, they've been occupied by some of us for years.

[Oldbob10025]

KekistanWillRiseAgain, on 14 May 2017 - 06:45 PM, said:

It is not "rumors"... its Sourcebook material. I mean the Minnesota Tribe part of the Clan Wolverine is what became The Blood, the other surviving part of Clan Wolverine ended up invading and taking over part of Nueva Castile in what is now known as the Umayyad Caliphate. So by using the 331st Regiment patch then you are very clearly defining who you are talking about in regards to Clan Wolverine.

But CW is meaningless and as such it is back to being dead until they either bribe people enough to be willing to play it or they release a new version that gets played for a week before everyone quits again. So setting or resetting is pointless... no one cares

FTFY

Interesting I never read that about them settling in Umayyad Caliphate? What book is this from? as far has cannon goes here it is...

The Not-Named-Clan and their unclear fate has spawned numerous canon rumors and conspiracy theories. They are thought to be linked to several in-universe mysteries.

During the Word of Blake Jihad, Chandrasekhar Kurita would supposedly uncover a series of unconfirmed documents of questionable provenance that apparently revealed the fate of the Wolverines. Indicating the survivors who fled Clan-space indeed reached the Inner Sphere as the so-called "Minnesota Tribe", the document claims that ComStar, rather than losing the trail met and offered the Wolverines refuge. Upon reaching Terra and settling on Mars, while many of the Wolverines were content to merely rest, scientist and leader of the exiled Clan's civilian population Peter Marillier forged a plan that would transform the Wolverines into a secret faction within ComStar The so-called Blood that would first aid then co-opt the organization from within, directing it to ultimate dominion over both the Inner Sphere and Clans.^[19]
Despite a lack of any solid proof and large question marks as to its providence, Chandrasekhar Kurita and Devlin Stone would pass this document to Clan Ghost Bear in 3074, taking the Bears by complete surprise. While previously staying aloof from the maelstrom of the Jihad, the apparent revelation that their most sworn enemy were the driving force behind the Word of Blake prompted them to plunge full-force into the conflict. Despite Ghost Bear scientists genetically testing the remains of every Blakist defeated to try and authenticate the report, no conclusive evidence was ever found linking the Word of Blake to Clan Wolverine.

Key Words are No conclusive evidence, Supposedly uncover a series of unconfirmed documents.. what books are you reading as I would like to see that...

Edited by Oldbob10025, 16 May 2017 - 06:30 AM.

[Commander A9]

Although I am interested to know why the planet went to Wolf...

Maybe because the CW system couldn't draw a gray circle around a single orb. XD