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[The Outlaw Kazzen]

So I only just put up a lil something about myself on some recruitment thread (It hasn't even been there a whole day yet) and i've gotten a few messages from recruiters.

But here is the problem. Wheres the foreplay? I just get these messages from random recruiters asking me to go to some site, submit an app, get this, this and that, and complete some probationary periode or whatever. They only give me the barest glimpse of what they are about in these messages (Wich I swear are cut and pasted from messages they send to everyone else) and then tell me to go to some site to join and find out more. It's like, they just walk up to me with a ring in there hand, hand it to me, then tell me to get down on a knee and ask them to marry me.

Sorry, I have no interest in perusing every single site that gets sent to me, I want to talk and get to know you first. Maybe have dinner together and talk about our favorite builds over a classy meal. You gotta put a little something personal into your recruitment ya know? If you're just gonna send a cookie cutter style message to me it tells me one thing right ofe bat. You don't actually want me, you want a number to add to your roster and I don't want that.

C'mon people! Live a litte, let your hair down while in the cockpit and maybe play some smooth jazz or something. Once you're feeling all nice and sociable, come and sweet talk me into joining. I'm not gonna pop my hood and flah my fusion core to just anyone!

[Jaxxon Steele]

You are on a site that is predominantly male, at the very least passive aggressive, and competitive as all get out. And you wonder why people wont take you to dinner and a movie first? It is more or less pick a Merc Company name you like and roll with it, and if you don't like how it fits, join another.

[The Outlaw Kazzen]

Jaxxon Steele, on 21 July 2012 - 08:34 PM, said:

You are on a site that is predominantly male, at the very least passive aggressive, and competitive as all get out. And you wonder why people wont take you to dinner and a movie first? It is more or less pick a Merc Company name you like and roll with it, and if you don't like how it fits, join another.

Lame! Guess i'll be flying solo again. Like a Ronin without a home... Ah well. Just makes the universe a target rich environment if I don't have to worry about teamkills!

[Jaxxon Steele]

The Outlaw Kazzen, on 21 July 2012 - 08:39 PM, said:

Lame! Guess i'll be flying solo again. Like a Ronin without a home... Ah well. Just makes the universe a target rich environment if I don't have to worry about teamkills!

Start your own and show them how it is done.

[The Outlaw Kazzen]

Do I have to? Can't I simply be unaffiliated? If I have no reason to join anybody and nobody bothers to get me to want to join them, wouldn't it just make sense to go solo?

[Jaxxon Steele]

The Outlaw Kazzen, on 21 July 2012 - 08:50 PM, said:

Do I have to? Can't I simply be unaffiliated? If I have no reason to join anybody and nobody bothers to get me to want to join them, wouldn't it just make sense to go solo?

How ever you wanna do it.

[Wiley Coyote]

So, they're supposed to spend all this time trying to recruit you? Why do that when they've given you something to read up on on how that particular merc company works. Some have threads about themselves, some have websites (some sites are more informative than others). See what these have for company info. Then you can message them and start the recruitment ball rolling if you like any of them. I've even seen a few that have their teamspeak information available and ask you to drop in before joining if you'd like.

From what I see above, they're not asking you for a commitment, they're giving you the information needed to join their company. It's up to you to do a little research into the company and see if you want to commit to them.

[B4silisk]

Jaxxon Steele, on 21 July 2012 - 08:34 PM, said:

You are on a site that is predominantly male, at the very least passive aggressive, and competitive as all get out. And you wonder why people wont take you to dinner and a movie first? It is more or less pick a Merc Company name you like and roll with it, and if you don't like how it fits, join another.

I don´t really agree with you Jaxxon...
I´ve done plenty of recruiting for other games and watched my friends recruiting even more, weve always started by inviting people to our ts server, chatting a bit about this and that, just see if we like them what they´re about and let them see our community and gamestyle.
There is no real point in playing with people you don´t like, whose sense of humor offends you, etc, etc.
The whole point of joining a community of gamers is to be with people whose company you enjoy while playing the games you like.

[Bluey]

Wheres the foreplay?
Too horn for it lets ve sex already ^^

Edited by Bluey, 21 July 2012 - 09:18 PM.

[The Outlaw Kazzen]

Wiley Coyote, on 21 July 2012 - 09:02 PM, said:

So, they're supposed to spend all this time trying to recruit you? Why do that when they've given you something to read up on on how that particular merc company works. Some have threads about themselves, some have websites (some sites are more informative than others). See what these have for company info. Then you can message them and start the recruitment ball rolling if you like any of them. I've even seen a few that have their teamspeak information available and ask you to drop in before joining if you'd like.

From what I see above, they're not asking you for a commitment, they're giving you the information needed to join their company. It's up to you to do a little research into the company and see if you want to commit to them.

Thats my problem. It's so impersonal. So bland. Having to shuffle through sites wich often require me to register with them first and then wait for approval before Ican even get that info... It's a boring, colorless process and al to often even when I get the info it just lacks any apeal outright or the info is filled with too much fluff to really get the key points out of it. A recruiter should be able to take some time to chat up a potential recruit, if even only for a little bit while also being able to provide all the key info that really makes whatever team he/she is recruiting for a real standout entity. In short, i'm not gonna waist time digging through sites if the recruiter isn't going to even take the time to get me interested in looking in the first place. If I wanted to dig through sites, i'd just go to the sites posted in the forums instead of filling out an add in that thread with all the lone wolves looking for a group/faction.

This thing has to be a two way street. get me interested and then i'll jump throug all the silly hoops to find out everything about your faction/Merc Corp or w/e. As is, the adds i'm being sent all look the same to me. Only remotely notable one was some guy who at least mentioned it was a group run by military vets. Thats at least a little interesting but not enough that i'd want to go register on their site, pick up teamspeak or Vent or w/e the hell they use and dig through their site.

[Todd Lee]

The Outlaw Kazzen, on 21 July 2012 - 08:39 PM, said:

Lame! Guess i'll be flying solo again. Like a Ronin without a home... Ah well. Just makes the universe a target rich environment if I don't have to worry about teamkills!

Just enjoy the game for what it is and if you happen to come across a group you like while either kicking their ***** or getting your *** handed to you, go from there. I swear the whole clan/guild concept is mind boggling, it's like trying to find a job, not to mention the level of stress that comes with competitive play and having to play based on a schedule instead of when you want to play. Gave up on that mess during the Team Fortress Classic era, never again.

[John Clavell]

Every unit has their own way of recruitment, their own idea on the kind of people they do and do not want. Furthermore, not everyone has the time to serenade every single possible recruit. Some units have a very open door policy and just want to get you in the 'system', others have a more closed or staged recruitment because they might want to weed certainl people out. I can't speak for other units, or how they recruit. I don't think there is a right and wrong way to do it, it just depends on the unit and it's goals. If I am contacting people directly I am very picky, I don't just spam everyone on the hiring hall, in these cases I try to have a conversation and get a feel for the person.

Edited by John Clavell, 22 July 2012 - 01:53 AM.

[Robin Wolf]

The Outlaw Kazzen, on 21 July 2012 - 08:39 PM, said:

Guess i'll be flying solo again. Like a Ronin without a home...

That's not necessarily a bad thing...

[BigJim]

Jaxxon Steele, on 21 July 2012 - 08:34 PM, said:

You are on a site that is predominantly male, at the very least passive aggressive, and competitive as all get out. And you wonder why people wont take you to dinner and a movie first?

> "Sis it is was awful. I was like 'where we goin' Chad?' - He was all like - 'Baabe I got's everything you need right here jump into my cockpit gurl' - I felt so cheap but y'know he was so-oo dreamy.."

>> "OMG boys they're the worst"

> "I know right..!?"

Edited by BigJim, 22 July 2012 - 02:10 AM.

[Hezi Baer]

Hey, i pay you 10 Gold when you join my Guild! You can then leave when ... Oh, wrong game here.

The Outlaw Kazzen, on 21 July 2012 - 08:39 PM, said:

Lame! Guess i'll be flying solo again. Like a Ronin without a home... Ah well. Just makes the universe a target rich environment if I don't have to worry about teamkills!

I didnt want to take you too much seroiusly.
But from my point of view your total wrong. In short words, most units need People they can rely on and they are to act on own initiative. What you write down here sounds more like, they even had to read the bedtimestory for you or sing you in sleep
I prefer Units more "military in fight, fun nad nonsense out of fight." Information like that i gather on forums for example.
And now pretend how you would act ingame (based on what i read here ) .
Lancecommander: "So all hop in your cockpits, get ready to fight!"
You: "Not in this manner! Say at least please! And i will never hop in that thing when you dont give me a hug before!"
Am i right?

And dont get me wrong, i really dont want to offend you. But there is one question for you. Shouldnt it be an important factor what YOU could do for a unit? And not, what they can offer you and willing to do for you (candlelight dinners or so on...).
So, what have YOU to offer (beside brilliant writing skills)?

And sorry, you have to worry for teamkills as Ronin, im sure you get penalties for it...

Edited by Hezi Baer, 22 July 2012 - 03:54 AM.

[HepatitisTK]

IMHO searching for a guild/clan/unit/group is best done passively. It takes patience but some of the best groups/units I've been invited and accepted into happened by me being active and mature on the available public chat room/forum and playing the game. Show some maturity and a little skill/room for growth/willingness to learn in the game and you're bound to be noticed/friended and then invited in that order. Doing this made finding and playing with a good unit less like work and more like going over to hang with my friends at their house IRL.

Edited by HepatitisTK, 22 July 2012 - 04:13 AM.

[Firefly]

You posted in the Hiring Hall. That's what the Hiring Hall thread is for.

[torgian]

I have to agree with the original poster here. It used to be that people actually roleplayed and put some story into their recruitment offers, but nowadays it's just " join us so we can kick butt " type of posts. Eh, oh well. This just makes me want to fight my own battles until I stumble on a good unit.

[The Outlaw Kazzen]

Neat responses. I definitely see more on the side of sticking to the classic approach of recruiters sending out "Join us" messages with a "Check this site" bit on it.

Ah well, Just wanted to see where this will go. I actually do use multiple methods for finding a good group, I just found this way to be the most tedious, boring, and impersonal method. Joining an organization this way doesn't really let me get to know the preople of the organization and i usually just gets me feeling like padding for the numbers on their roster so they can say "WE HAVE OVER 300 MEMBERS!"

Another time me and a certain friend joined a certain group on a certaingame and that group ordered us to accomplish task we were clearly not cut out to do when they had other members far better suited for the task and then when me and that certain friend failed miserably we were kiced from the team XD Talk about waste of time and resources. If you gotta be oh so serious about your team, at least stop and think for five seconds about the players you have willing to work for you and what they and their builds are good for.

torgian, on 22 July 2012 - 04:50 AM, said:

I have to agree with the original poster here. It used to be that people actually roleplayed and put some story into their recruitment offers, but nowadays it's just " join us so we can kick butt " type of posts. Eh, oh well. This just makes me want to fight my own battles until I stumble on a good unit.

And yes, this i'd much rather see. Add some color to your recruitment adds! Roleplay out the recruitment or at least make the add interesting!

John Clavell, on 22 July 2012 - 01:52 AM, said:

Every unit has their own way of recruitment, their own idea on the kind of people they do and do not want. Furthermore, not everyone has the time to serenade every single possible recruit. Some units have a very open door policy and just want to get you in the 'system', others have a more closed or staged recruitment because they might want to weed certainl people out. I can't speak for other units, or how they recruit. I don't think there is a right and wrong way to do it, it just depends on the unit and it's goals. If I am contacting people directly I am very picky, I don't just spam everyone on the hiring hall, in these cases I try to have a conversation and get a feel for the person.

Those who just want myself and others in their "system" are exactly the kind of recruiters I have a problem with. The ones who contact directly and have a conversation wether they are picky or not is what i'd like to see more of personally. The conversation is key into finding out what the people of the organization are like.

Hezi Baer, on 22 July 2012 - 03:52 AM, said:

Hey, i pay you 10 Gold when you join my Guild! You can then leave when ... Oh, wrong game here.



I didnt want to take you too much seroiusly.
But from my point of view your total wrong. In short words, most units need People they can rely on and they are to act on own initiative. What you write down here sounds more like, they even had to read the bedtimestory for you or sing you in sleep
I prefer Units more "military in fight, fun nad nonsense out of fight." Information like that i gather on forums for example.
And now pretend how you would act ingame (based on what i read here ) .
Lancecommander: "So all hop in your cockpits, get ready to fight!"
You: "Not in this manner! Say at least please! And i will never hop in that thing when you dont give me a hug before!"
Am i right?

And dont get me wrong, i really dont want to offend you. But there is one question for you. Shouldnt it be an important factor what YOU could do for a unit? And not, what they can offer you and willing to do for you (candlelight dinners or so on...).
So, what have YOU to offer (beside brilliant writing skills)?

And sorry, you have to worry for teamkills as Ronin, im sure you get penalties for it...

Good, you really shouldn't take my opening post too seriously as it was just me trying to "test the waters". I just wanted to hear peoples thoughts on this withought seeming like I was trying to gether such information. If I were to open a post with the simple question of "What recruitment methods do you prefer?" this thread would of been bogged down with page long post from people who have done their own research into this or like to look like they know everything about this.

And no I am not asking them to spoil me or ask nicely I just want to get to know the people before I join them. Waste less time that way. In ACV I was infamous for a long time fro jumping from one team to another. My record was 7 teams in one day. I'd rather not waste my own time or the time of the team this time around.

As for what I or any of us can do for the unit, how should we know when most of us haven't even been to beta? I may be a sniper in Modern Warfare but I'm a hit and runner in ACV, who knows what style will fit me right in MWO? I could be fire support, or perhaps a lumbering heavy guy? Perhaps I'll fnd I like siping or hit and runs in this game to? Untill I or any of us have a chance to actually play the game, any offers of what we can provide is nearly moot.


For my closing statement...

I'd like to thank everyone who posted here for helping me test the water around here. If ever we do end up on the same team, know that I do got your back and am not a team killer (Except in ACV where me and my leader kinda have this thing going against each other). As for everyone else who ends up on the other side of the field... Keep light on those mecha feet and watch your 6! If ever there was a trait that I carried with me to every game, i'm rutheless and love to fight dirty.

[vettie]

The Outlaw Kazzen, on 21 July 2012 - 08:27 PM, said:

So I only just put up a lil something about myself on some recruitment thread (It hasn't even been there a whole day yet) and i've gotten a few messages from recruiters.

But here is the problem. Wheres the foreplay? I just get these messages from random recruiters asking me to go to some site, submit an app, get this, this and that, and complete some probationary periode or whatever. They only give me the barest glimpse of what they are about in these messages (Wich I swear are cut and pasted from messages they send to everyone else) and then tell me to go to some site to join and find out more. It's like, they just walk up to me with a ring in there hand, hand it to me, then tell me to get down on a knee and ask them to marry me.

Sorry, I have no interest in perusing every single site that gets sent to me, I want to talk and get to know you first. Maybe have dinner together and talk about our favorite builds over a classy meal. You gotta put a little something personal into your recruitment ya know? If you're just gonna send a cookie cutter style message to me it tells me one thing right ofe bat. You don't actually want me, you want a number to add to your roster and I don't want that.

C'mon people! Live a litte, let your hair down while in the cockpit and maybe play some smooth jazz or something. Once you're feeling all nice and sociable, come and sweet talk me into joining. I'm not gonna pop my hood and flah my fusion core to just anyone!

LOL

I read this and cackled. Happened to me too (except I didnt post that I wanted to join anyone).

Let me ask you a question, do you have and play MW4Mercs?

If you do (yeah here comes the join this site part) then go to SunderJunkies.com and look around our forums.

We are a bunch of internet friends that play Mercs nearly every nite and many are planning on doing the MWO thing.

Everyone there is friendly, helpful and have been playing MW in some form for years. We have voice comms that we use and the TS address in in our forums for ALL to see, not just "team members", in fact, most arent even on a team, they just play.

So if you want to get to know us and you want to actually have some fun playing check it out. We MIGHT form a team in MWO or join others that already exist, we dont know yet. We talk about all kinds of things, but mostly we play Mercs and have fun. It is a GAME and it should be fun, right? Check it out. roughly 8 to 10p eastern is when most are online, some times before, but I suggest you download TeamSpeak 2 and 3 and get the info to join us on comms. bunch of guys having fun.