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[oldradagast]

That sucks. Just to be clear, what exactly happened?

You had all 91 points distributed in skills, hit Respec, and it wiped all of them out?

If that's what happened, that is horrible UI design, particularly if no warning message with an "are you sure?" button came up beforehand to tell you what was about to happen.

I'd check this myself, but I don't want to lose skill points... has anyone else seen this?

[HollowBassman]

That has to be irritating. Thank you for sharing your misfortune with us in a constructive manner instead of whining about it like the guy in another thread.

Edited by HollowBassman, 20 May 2017 - 09:37 AM.

[HGAK47]

Wait what? Did your SP return to your GSP or Historic SP? Because from what you are saying "respec" is a delete button that has absolutly no value what so ever in game right?

Edited by HGAK47, 20 May 2017 - 09:43 AM.

[vandalhooch]

HGAK47, on 20 May 2017 - 09:43 AM, said:

Wait what? Did your SP return to your GSP or Historic SP? Because from what you are saying "respec" is a delete button that has absolutly no value what so ever in game right?

Purchased nodes stay purchased but you'll need to pay 400 XP to reactivate them if you wish. For anyone with scads of XP on a machine, the respec button can be useful.

[Gwei Loong]

If you hit respect you do not have to hit save. It's just a fast way to start from scratch like in the mech lab.
I also think you still have the points you just need to reclick them and hit save again. Just going to cost GXP or mech XP.
It won't cost c-bills. If you lost your SP then report it because that is not the way it's working for everyone else.

[vandalhooch]

Gwei Loong, on 20 May 2017 - 09:48 AM, said:

If you hit respect you do not have to hit save. It's just a fast way to start from scratch like in the mech lab.
I also think you still have the points you just need to reclick them and hit save again. Just going to cost GXP or mech XP.
It won't cost c-bills. If you lost your SP then report it because that is not the way it's working for everyone else.

I think they are confusing purchased nodes with SP. Once a node is purchased, that SP is gone for good. You don't have that SP anymore.

[Trev Firestorm]

Gwei Loong, on 20 May 2017 - 09:48 AM, said:

If you hit respect you do not have to hit save. It's just a fast way to start from scratch like in the mech lab.
I also think you still have the points you just need to reclick them and hit save again. Just going to cost GXP or mech XP.
It won't cost c-bills. If you lost your SP then report it because that is not the way it's working for everyone else.

That first part is what the revert button is for, the respec button is a trap to make you waste a bunch of XP reactivating nodes.

[Daecollo]

RESPEC IS NOT A RESPEC like in other games.

It doesn't warn you or give ANY warnings at all. It is a TRAP. Might as well delete your mech,

Edited by Daecollo, 20 May 2017 - 10:13 AM.

[Daecollo]

Alabaster Croft, on 20 May 2017 - 10:31 AM, said:

So I think you get your historic XP back when you respec, so you can re-buy the SP no problem... but you still have to pay XP for the nodes again... I think this is correct. If I am correct, I think the first time ever you buy nodes with SP they just cost the SP... but when you respec, it charges you XP to re buy the nodes. So in my case, you end up not being able to respec because after you used your XP to buy back the SP, you have no XP to buy back the nodes... unless you have a lot more XP than I have.

It gives you back no experience you spent on the mech.

[vandalhooch]

Alabaster Croft, on 20 May 2017 - 10:31 AM, said:

So I think you get your historic XP back when you respec, so you can re-buy the SP no problem...

No you don't.

1 - HXP is spent (permanently) buying SP.

2 - SP is spent (permanently) purchasing nodes and activating them.

3 - Respec deactivates all nodes. No SP or HXP is ever refunded.

4 - HXP or XP is spent purchasing more SP.

5 - Newly purchased SP is spent (permanently) purchasing new nodes and activating them.

6 - XP is spent reactivating any nodes that were already purchased earlier.

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but you still have to pay XP for the nodes again... I think this is correct. If I am correct, I think the first time ever you buy nodes with SP they just cost the SP... but when you respec, it charges you XP to re buy the nodes. So in my case, you end up not being able to respec because after you used your XP to buy back the SP, you have no XP to buy back the nodes... unless you have a lot more XP than I have.

Respec will not be useful for anyone until they have accumulated such a large quantity of XP on a particular mech that the reactivate costs are offset by the convenience of avoiding lots of hunting and pecking through the trees. No one is likely to be in that type of situation yet.

Edited by vandalhooch, 20 May 2017 - 10:47 AM.

[Gwei Loong]

vandalhooch, on 20 May 2017 - 10:45 AM, said:

Respec will not be useful for anyone until they have accumulated such a large quantity of XP on a particular mech that the reactivate costs are offset by the convenience of avoiding lots of hunting and pecking through the trees. No one is likely to be in that type of situation yet.

What are you talking about? I already said I found it useful. HXP works for respec. Just transfer some of the millions of HXP you have to the variant you want.
Why people did not go to the test server? It was free for me to learn all this and it is all covered very clearly in the patch notes.
Not to sound rude OP but "good luck not reading anything." Hope you figure it out but it's working fine. If you just asked "does anybody know whats going on?" I am sure we'd have a less salty thread.

Edited by Gwei Loong, 20 May 2017 - 11:21 AM.

[El Bandito]

oldradagast, on 20 May 2017 - 09:33 AM, said:

If that's what happened, that is horrible UI design, particularly if no warning message with an "are you sure?" button came up beforehand to tell you what was about to happen.

I'd check this myself, but I don't want to lose skill points... has anyone else seen this?

Daecollo, on 20 May 2017 - 10:13 AM, said:

RESPEC IS NOT A RESPEC like in other games.

It doesn't warn you or give ANY warnings at all. It is a TRAP. Might as well delete your mech,

It does ask you for confirmation, BTW.

[Jay Leon Hart]

While unfortunate, perhaps before trying a feature to see what it does, see if there are some patch notes for said feature? On the plus side, it's *only* half XP cost per node to get them back.

[Gwei Loong]

Alabaster Croft, on 20 May 2017 - 11:27 AM, said:

Some people can not participate in testing due to life. I did read a bit... but figured it was pretty straightforward. And it was/is... until I hit respec.

I understand and there is another thread on this exact topic going. I got the two threads confused.
Your thread is not so bad. I am sorry about this mix up, it's the other guy thats being salty.
You are in fact handling it quite well. I am sure you will work it out by the end of the night.

Edited by Gwei Loong, 20 May 2017 - 11:38 AM.

[SpiralFace]

I'm confused.

I tried out the buttons and it doesn't seem to be that big of a deal.

Respec Skill tree seems to do nothing more then de-selecting the entire tree. When you mouse over one of the previous nodes, it seems you can freely spec into the nodes that you already had prior to the respec at zero cost. As if the tree was simply de-selecting all of the nodes at once.

Clicking the revert changes button, even after confirming the respec skill tree button reverts everything back, again, at zero cost.

It only seems to "lock you in" when you hit "apply changes" so the only way in which you would wipe out all progress and be forced to re-pay your way through would be if you hit the respec skill tree button THEN hit the apply changes button before working on the tree.

If you just hit respec, It looks like you can freely go back into any of the nodes you previously had at no cost. Since you can both hit the respec tree button, and the revert changes button at no cost without further confirmation, it seems like all these are are convenience buttons. So I don't see the issue. What am I missing here?

Edited by SpiralFace, 20 May 2017 - 11:44 AM.

[vandalhooch]

Gwei Loong, on 20 May 2017 - 11:20 AM, said:

What are you talking about? I already said I found it useful. HXP works for respec. Just transfer some of the millions of HXP you have to the variant you want.

So in other words you filled your mech with loads of XP which is when I said that respec would be useful.

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Why people did not go to the test server? It was free for me to learn all this and it is all covered very clearly in the patch notes.
Not to sound rude OP but "good luck not reading anything." Hope you figure it out but it's working fine. If you just asked "does anybody know whats going on?" I am sure we'd have a less salty thread.

[Trev Firestorm]

vandalhooch, on 20 May 2017 - 10:45 AM, said:

No you don't.

1 - HXP is spent (permanently) buying SP.

2 - SP is spent (permanently) purchasing nodes and activating them.

3 - Respec deactivates all nodes. No SP or HXP is ever refunded.

4 - HXP or XP is spent purchasing more SP.

5 - Newly purchased SP is spent (permanently) purchasing new nodes and activating them.

6 - XP is spent reactivating any nodes that were already purchased earlier.



Respec will not be useful for anyone until they have accumulated such a large quantity of XP on a particular mech that the reactivate costs are offset by the convenience of avoiding lots of hunting and pecking through the trees. No one is likely to be in that type of situation yet.

It will never be useful as absolutely any build changing from 91 to a different 91 points will have overlap, therefore you never want to fully strip your skills due to the cost, when building out the new build you just deactivate the top of the tree and it'll work like respec button but won't eat your xp in the process as it won't auto-save.

[Gwei Loong]

Trev Firestorm, on 20 May 2017 - 11:53 AM, said:

It will never be useful as absolutely any build changing from 91 to a different 91 points will have overlap, therefore you never want to fully strip your skills due to the cost, when building out the new build you just deactivate the top of the tree and it'll work like respec button but won't eat your xp in the process as it won't auto-save.

Except for the fact that any over laps you have after a respec are free of any cost unless you hit apply.
So respec, choose what you want and only pay for the difference when you apply changes. Simple.

[Gwei Loong]

vandalhooch, on 20 May 2017 - 11:50 AM, said:

So in other words you filled your mech with loads of XP which is when I said that respec would be useful.

Yes we have not lost any of the XP we ever put into a mech, it's just in a reserve called HXP now. PGI did not transfer it to a single mech variant because if you owned more than one you can use it however you want.

[Felicitatem Parco]

Alabaster Croft, on 20 May 2017 - 09:30 AM, said:

So I got my 91 points for 5 or 6 mechs, then I decided I would click the respec button and see what happened. Surely nothing catastrophic. So I lost all my skill points and XP for my mechs, now I have to regrind and re pay for all of it. So I don't really see any point of respeccing when you can just unclick nodes and go for others. At least that way you don't lose everything you have.

Respecing does not delete your progress. It deactivates the nodes you unlocked (you can reactivate them with 400xp each) but it does not affect your XP bank. It does not strip your XP.

Almost want to report this post as a false accusation... OP has made more than o e of these threads with the same rebukes.

Also, if you made a catastrophic error, send an email to Support. Anyone who has been playing for a while will attest that PGI's customer service department Rocks and they help people out all the time.

Edited by Prosperity Park, 20 May 2017 - 12:13 PM.