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[Mystic Evil]

Why is the law of averages not working in this game ,not a lot of fun to play and lose 14 or 15 matches in a row or more , mostly stumps..seem to be getting a lot of new players, or players who don`t use there coms..Just seems to make a person want to leave the game,period..

Edited by Mystic Evil, 21 May 2017 - 01:57 PM.

[Nik Reaper]

Law of averages is observable in a large sample size... con-curative online MWO players are not that large of a sample size... + the MM doesn't look at any stat except mech weight and PSR to make teams, and that is so very insufficient...

[Zigmund Freud]

Nik Reaper, on 21 May 2017 - 02:02 PM, said:

Law of averages is observable in a large sample size... con-curative online MWO players are not that large of a sample size... + the MM doesn't look at any stat except mech weight and PSR to make teams, and that is so very insufficient...

I would disagree.

When the game is launched it already have 12 specific players. At this point you can either put all noobs one one team and all tryhards on another, OR you can actually mix them and put 6 noobs and 6 pros VS another 6 noobs and 6 pros. Its a bit more complex if there are groups, but still doable. Matchmaking time isn't affected by this an any way.

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like this: all players have some "combat points", like Pokemon, lol. Let's say first-time-in-mech = 1 cp., and ultimate tryhard champion = 10. The point is to mix 24 pilots in a way, so both teams have maximally equal sum of cp. If it's all pug drop - you get how it's done.
If it's pugs + groups - every group have it's own cp, that consist of each member's individual cp, multiplied by "coordination coefficient", the more people are in group - the bigger coordination and coefficient. For example, 3 men (cp=4, 6 and 7) play as group, so this group's cp value is ((4+6+7)x1.3), where 1.3 is coefficient for 3-men groups. If it's 5-men group (cp=3, 4, 6, 6 and 7), the group's cp value is ((3+4+6+6+7)x1.5, where 1.5 is 5-men group coordination coefficient. Exact coefficients value should be established experimentally, 'cause now i just estimated, but you get the idea.
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Furthermore, now matchmaking takes seconds. If implementation of better matchmaking will make it 15 seconds - nobody will care. Really, everybody would love to wait extra 10 seconds to get into fair and interesting battle.

How do you feel about this?

[Mystic Evil]

Agree 1009%

[Tarl Cabot]

Even then, if the pros on one side are not taking charge, ie calling the game while the other side is being called, most of the time it will not matter. So if the OP drops on a team where no one is really making the call, even the OP oneself, whose fault is it really?

Sorry OP, but if you are not even attempting to lead and no one else is either, how will a different MM configuration matter? In pugland many pugs have not had enough time to play on actual TEAMS/units which are working together often enough. And for many who MAY have played team sports in school/etc, they had someone calling the shots, where during practice there were offensive and defensive drills.

Though part of the issue is not the MM, but how the PSR works, it is geared to move players up tiers, some faster than others. Group queue can exasperate that PSR. A player may be a good team player as long as he is provided direction/goal but he is may not be a top player, not even a dropcaller, then put him in the solo queue he may follow/shadow a teammate or two and not go solo/rambo but if that mech he is shadowing is not a very good player who moves into a bad position or fails to notice it, he is only able to use him as a meatshield.

So a team having one or two decent drop callers can have a huge impact on that drop, provided most of the team is able to halfway decently follow simple directions. But there is never a guarantee the team will have a drop caller, though others may pipe up later in the game that may or may not make a difference. Even Zigmund "setup" does not take that into consideration.

Edited by Tarl Cabot, 21 May 2017 - 03:22 PM.

[sycocys]

Well if you do at least 300 damage and 1 kill every match you'd be on a pretty bad luck streak to not win at least 1 in 12 matches.

[Johnny Z]

It happens rarely and I think its trolling. I am not 100% sure how the matches are being trolled.

Edited by Johnny Z, 21 May 2017 - 05:03 PM.

[vandalhooch]

Mystic Evil, on 21 May 2017 - 01:55 PM, said:

Why is the law of averages not working in this game ,

Law of Averages: "As invoked in everyday life, the "law" usually reflects wishful thinking or a poor understanding of statistics rather than any mathematical principle."

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not a lot of fun to play and lose 14 or 15 matches in a row or more , mostly stumps..seem to be getting a lot of new players, or players who don`t use there coms..Just seems to make a person want to leave the game,period..

[Vellron2005]

For me, it's more about the situation.. sure I get "one of those days" when I can't win a match, but then I stop playing, go do some chores, eat or something, and come back later, and I'm kicking rear torso..

Sometimes in FP I get a 12-man premade Vs my pug team.. and if I get the same premade 2-3 times in a row, I just wait a bit to "skip" them in the rotation..

[J0anna]

When you're having a losing streak, the best cure I know is to group up, because even if you lose you tend to have a much better time.

[Zigmund Freud]

Tarl Cabot, on 21 May 2017 - 03:19 PM, said:

Even then, if the pros on one side are not taking charge, ie calling the game while the other side is being called, most of the time it will not matter. So if the OP drops on a team where no one is really making the call, even the OP oneself, whose fault is it really?

Sorry OP, but if you are not even attempting to lead and no one else is either, how will a different MM configuration matter? In pugland many pugs have not had enough time to play on actual TEAMS/units which are working together often enough. And for many who MAY have played team sports in school/etc, they had someone calling the shots, where during practice there were offensive and defensive drills.

Though part of the issue is not the MM, but how the PSR works, it is geared to move players up tiers, some faster than others. Group queue can exasperate that PSR. A player may be a good team player as long as he is provided direction/goal but he is may not be a top player, not even a dropcaller, then put him in the solo queue he may follow/shadow a teammate or two and not go solo/rambo but if that mech he is shadowing is not a very good player who moves into a bad position or fails to notice it, he is only able to use him as a meatshield.

So a team having one or two decent drop callers can have a huge impact on that drop, provided most of the team is able to halfway decently follow simple directions. But there is never a guarantee the team will have a drop caller, though others may pipe up later in the game that may or may not make a difference. Even Zigmund "setup" does not take that into consideration.

But you cannot consider this. Everybody have VoIP, and you can't make matchmaker that will notice who use his VoIP effectively and consider this in matchmaking. So we just deal with it, and try to do other things, that we can consider.

[radiv]

Mystic Evil, on 21 May 2017 - 01:55 PM, said:

Why is the law of averages not working in this game ,not a lot of fun to play and lose 14 or 15 matches in a row or more , mostly stumps..seem to be getting a lot of new players, or players who don`t use there coms..Just seems to make a person want to leave the game,period..

Not to be mean, but you come here on the forums and complain about the matchmaker. And ur stats tells me ur not a benifit to ur team. Maybe you should blaim the xp bar instead, but look at what ur doing urself. Thats the easyest thing to solve

[meteorol]

Johnny Z, on 21 May 2017 - 05:02 PM, said:

It happens rarely and I think its trolling. I am not 100% sure how the matches are being trolled.

You are not even 1% sure whether or not someone is hacking before claiming he does, so being not 100% sure shouldn't be an issue for you.