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#1 Dee Eight

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Posted 30 May 2017 - 12:42 AM

and at 420, 4th highest damage on a losing 12 to 4 team, for ALL 10k AMS rounds expended from my KFX-C. That's providing the equivalent of more than FIFTY FOUR TONS worth of standard armor shielding to the team. And they still refused to push forwards. ARGHHHHHh.

Hey PGI...how about a Tier reset maybe now that damage isn't the be-all / end-all of the match score system ?

#2 lazytopaz

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Posted 30 May 2017 - 01:01 AM

I like it and I don't at the same time.

This game is already not-oh-so-friendly to newbies. To put all those high tier 1 players like Monpax or Sustained in the same bag with fresh pilots... would just discourage people who are already not so encouraged to keep on grinding.

#3 RestosIII

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Posted 30 May 2017 - 01:13 AM

1,751? Try 1,910.

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And I'm sure some of my teammates still blamed LRMs for our loss instead of their own sheer incompetence.

#4 El Bandito

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Posted 30 May 2017 - 01:18 AM

View Postlazytopaz, on 30 May 2017 - 01:01 AM, said:

I like it and I don't at the same time.

This game is already not-oh-so-friendly to newbies. To put all those high tier 1 players like Monpax or Sustained in the same bag with fresh pilots... would just discourage people who are already not so encouraged to keep on grinding.



That's why it should be a soft reset. Lower everyone's tier rating by 2. I will start at T3, for example. Keep the MM -/+ 1 tier for the first 3 months.

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Posted 30 May 2017 - 01:22 AM

View PostDee Eight, on 30 May 2017 - 12:42 AM, said:

and at 420, 4th highest damage on a losing 12 to 4 team, for ALL 10k AMS rounds expended from my KFX-C. That's providing the equivalent of more than FIFTY FOUR TONS worth of standard armor shielding to the team. And they still refused to push forwards. ARGHHHHHh.

Hey PGI...how about a Tier reset maybe now that damage isn't the be-all / end-all of the match score system ?



Flood gates are open, earlier today on the NGNG stream Bombadil confirmed that one of the players in a solo drop with Sean Lang (Phil) was a new player.

https://www.twitch.t...889?t=02h44m19s

'Tier' reset won't help at all.

MM only works if there are enough players to have an actual MM at a given time.

Edited by SnafuSnafu, 30 May 2017 - 01:39 AM.


#6 Chados

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Posted 30 May 2017 - 02:04 AM

It's also been confirmed that new players climb tiers fast if they have good results. I've read about people in T3 in 5 matches that way, because they don't have a lot of bad legacy stats weighing their tier down.

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Posted 30 May 2017 - 03:22 PM

View PostChados, on 30 May 2017 - 02:04 AM, said:

It's also been confirmed that new players climb tiers fast if they have good results. I've read about people in T3 in 5 matches that way, because they don't have a lot of bad legacy stats weighing their tier down.


Depends on the 5 matches... Five exploited games where the other team bent over so you could farm damage/components sure maybe. But for most folks... not so much. Because I started a new account sunday... and this is the result so far.

21 18 1.17 29 26 1.12 39 290

So positive WLR and KDR and a high average match score over 39 total matches (1 in a KDK3 trial, 9 in the NVA-S trial, 1 in the new linebacker prime and the rest in a hybrid asrm6/ssrm6 crow.... its still a Tier 5.

#8 Revis Volek

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Posted 30 May 2017 - 03:27 PM

View PostDee Eight, on 30 May 2017 - 12:42 AM, said:

and at 420, 4th highest damage on a losing 12 to 4 team, for ALL 10k AMS rounds expended from my KFX-C. That's providing the equivalent of more than FIFTY FOUR TONS worth of standard armor shielding to the team. And they still refused to push forwards. ARGHHHHHh.

Hey PGI...how about a Tier reset maybe now that damage isn't the be-all / end-all of the match score system ?



I asked for Stats and Tiers to be reset with the Skill tree, I'd love to see it all archived so we can compare numbers then and now.

Missed opportunity. Tiers not so much i guess. They would end up the same i guess. Sub 20,000 total player pop kills any MM i would think

Edited by Revis Volek, 30 May 2017 - 03:29 PM.


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Posted 30 May 2017 - 03:29 PM

View Postlazytopaz, on 30 May 2017 - 01:01 AM, said:

I like it and I don't at the same time.

This game is already not-oh-so-friendly to newbies. To put all those high tier 1 players like Monpax or Sustained in the same bag with fresh pilots... would just discourage people who are already not so encouraged to keep on grinding.


Heck yeah, it's always a bloodbath.

When there were no tiers, and everyone was thrown into the meat blender with everyone else, the learning curve was... intense. Sure, matches invariably balanced out as the MM tried to match skill levels pilot to pilot across both teams, but if you were new, you were often dead waaaaaaay before you could learn any type of lesson.

There was a period where my friends and I rolled alt accounts to give to newbies in our unit when PSR was first rolling out. Like many players, we were skeptical about how much of an impact the MM actually had, but even in trial mechs, we were destroyers of worlds.

Edited by Kiiyor, 30 May 2017 - 03:31 PM.


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Posted 30 May 2017 - 03:38 PM

Damn... I only got up to 1200 so far. I feel like a waste of tonnage now, thanks.

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Posted 30 May 2017 - 03:41 PM

I see virtually no difference in overall gameplay on my t1 main and a t5 alt account.

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Posted 30 May 2017 - 04:00 PM

View PostChados, on 30 May 2017 - 02:04 AM, said:

It's also been confirmed that new players climb tiers fast if they have good results. I've read about people in T3 in 5 matches that way, because they don't have a lot of bad legacy stats weighing their tier down.


Yeah, they didn't think that one through very well...I have my main account still at T4 despite over 2k matches played, but because I took a break and missed playing during the one year window they used to determine your tier under the new system, I got stuck at 80% into T5 based on having no history. With a few hundred more matches, I've moved into about 15% of T4, but then I started an alt account and am already higher into T4 with about 100 matches played than my main account is, and the rate of climb for the new account is noticeably faster. Same skill set + fresh account = faster tier movement. But...as has been pointed out, it makes little difference when you're still seeing T1/T2 players in your T4/T5 matches because of how loose the matchmaker is running. Both my accounts have had T1 players spotted in matches...not often, but it does happen.

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Posted 30 May 2017 - 04:18 PM

Best I have got was 1162 missiles destroyed using my 3 x ams Kitfox (both overload skills checked on Skill Tree). This result was using up all of 6 tons of ams ammo.

Someone mentioned that using a third ams is a waste of tonnage as there is a bug. Cannot confirm whether this is still an issue re recent topics in the forums.

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#14 Dee Eight

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Posted 30 May 2017 - 04:43 PM

The AMS bug depends on ONE of the AMS being destroyed, the the ROF jumps on the remainder. The bug is best exploited by the BLR-2C. The AMS are Right torso and left arm. So you put the AMS in the arm and no armor... it gets blown off quickly, and then the RT AMS goes into fry 100th cup of coffee mode....



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Posted 30 May 2017 - 04:50 PM

They just need to make the increases and decreases equal in weight, so that there's 20% pop in all 5 tiers. Right now you move up more on a good match than you down on a bad match, so everyone is moving up.

Also, weigh damage less in match score (50% less), and double the weight of assists(low points), kills (medium points), kmdd(high points), and solo kills (highest points)

Lastly, disconnect moving up or down on a win or loss, so you can still fall after doing really badly on a win, and vice versa on a loss. It's already harder to score the same on a loss since there's fewer kills, so fewer points to go around.

Edited by NlGHTBlRD, 30 May 2017 - 04:55 PM.


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Posted 30 May 2017 - 05:27 PM

View PostDee Eight, on 30 May 2017 - 04:43 PM, said:

The AMS bug depends on ONE of the AMS being destroyed, the the ROF jumps on the remainder. The bug is best exploited by the BLR-2C. The AMS are Right torso and left arm. So you put the AMS in the arm and no armor... it gets blown off quickly, and then the RT AMS goes into fry 100th cup of coffee mode....




I prefer the Nova
Sure, you lose an ST, but then you can take out 700+ missiles simultaneously.



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Posted 30 May 2017 - 06:19 PM

View PostDee Eight, on 30 May 2017 - 12:42 AM, said:

Hey PGI...how about a Tier reset maybe now that damage isn't the be-all / end-all of the match score system ?

LOL, wut!

Pull out the calculator cause damage and damage related metrics still drive the rewards. Don't believe me? Take a mech out with no weapons and let me see that score!

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Posted 30 May 2017 - 07:22 PM

View PostEl Bandito, on 30 May 2017 - 01:18 AM, said:



That's why it should be a soft reset. Lower everyone's tier rating by 2. I will start at T3, for example. Keep the MM -/+ 1 tier for the first 3 months.



NO.

NEVER.

WHY?

Cus I will not be able to stomp your (alleged ) cheating *** into the ground!





Postscript--- I double checked my tier against yours, and it's not true. I could stomp your ***, it would just be difficult to impossible, assuming you knew my tier.

Did I mention that I think tiers are stupid?

Edited by TLBFestus, 31 May 2017 - 09:09 AM.


#19 Dee Eight

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Posted 30 May 2017 - 10:51 PM

View PostTed Wayz, on 30 May 2017 - 06:19 PM, said:

LOL, wut!

Pull out the calculator cause damage and damage related metrics still drive the rewards. Don't believe me? Take a mech out with no weapons and let me see that score!


Incursion mode, 59 damage, all seven bases destroyed myself, 1 solo kmdd, 0 assists, 185 match score.

Edited by Dee Eight, 30 May 2017 - 10:56 PM.


#20 El Bandito

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Posted 31 May 2017 - 12:49 AM

View PostTLBFestus, on 30 May 2017 - 07:22 PM, said:

NO.

NEVER.

WHY?

Cus I will not be able to stomp your (illegibly) cheating *** into the ground!


Postscript--- I double checked my tier against yours, and it's not true. I could stomp your ***, it would just be difficult to impossible, assuming you knew my tier.





View PostTLBFestus, on 30 May 2017 - 07:22 PM, said:

Did I mention that I think tiers are stupid?


There are better ways, yes.





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