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A few things to note.
1. The Cuneiform on the opening of prometheus on the container.
2. What appears to be the same spores as #3 leaving the engineers body. If not they use the same visual which seems to mean they are related or the same thing. Note the inside of the container after exposure to air looks honeycome or plant like. the spores could be micro insects or a colony collected to do stuff.
https://youtu.be/cHUhjTo16i8?t=224
3. Covenants plants with spores.
https://youtu.be/R2u04-LXc0Y?t=204
4. Goo is not supposed to affect plants..
My original question was did this stuff appear after david drops the canisters or was it already on the plant... I think #4 answers this potentially. So is this goo harvested from the plants and used?
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Is that individual Geshtu and that earth and possibly someplace like Mnt. Ararat(Where the 10 commandments were given?! Or am I thinking where noah's ship landed..) or Olympus?
That conversation goes into the subject a little. So we have a mix of religious text combined at minimum. Greek, Sumerian, Judeo/Christian. Note they come from a similar time frame in history also and have potential connections to each other.
If the spores are related to one of these what is the connection. Several other things can be explained by directly taking from one of the religious stories... Do they fit into anything... The wheat can fit into the bible with things saying not to harm the plants and or price of wheat during famines(reference to wheat is common in the bible in odd ways) which is related to things like the book of revelation. Does anyone know of the spores/plants or the little plants possible connection to anything in any of the stories from the religions? Anyone know of anything in them that it might have been take from? Are the possibly insects or something else. Notice again the behive structure. It's like a honey comb and honey. Are they small bees in honey? If so does that bypass the issue of not harming plants. As teh "bees" could simply act like bees and live in the plant or harvest it.
BTW, the goo not hurting plants is at least a direct reference to the bible. In part of the bible, either daniel, revelation, or another apocalyptic part it references a war or something and not to harm the plants and possibly cattle. Cattle could also mean humans in the movie. but maybe these guys are violating that. Not sure.
Either way, this could all reveal something about the spores/goo.
Edit: Another obvious thing I haven't seen anyone mention. All of this, including that one conversation, mention stuff that could be the Annunaki. Those are often connected to the giants in the pre-flood world in the bible. This is possibly connected or viewed in some cases as being related to giants in the future after the flood. That leads to the obvious potential parallel. David slaying Goliath. Goliath is stated as being one of those post flood giants if I recall correctly(I might not). Is the scene of David dropping the canisters supposed to be David slaying Goliath and his army possibly with lots of little stones? Is there a parallel. The world is references as paradise. Paradise in the old testament was the land of Israel. The promised land! That is Canaanite lands the Israelites had to kill to possess the land of Israel. Goliath was a leader in Canaan. Although this happened when David was a child. So it could be a reference to a different battle with David as king of Israel when he's older or something. also does this tell us anything about Shaw. Is she a wife of David Or another figure related to him? He had two wives. One was his original who had a son David killed because of his actions If I'm not mistake. He tried to take the throne I think. Later he had a second wife who was the wife of one of his military personal.(He was killed by being sent to battle to die at the front lines. This could be Shaws first husband in Prometheus.) She is the famous naked women on the roof David fell in love with. Could this be related to that story of him getting his wife. Is the military personnel the husband of Shaw? the importance of this is that this produced a new son later. Solomon. The one who is famous for having harems and causing/being related to the eventual split of the 10 kingdoms in the old testament and scattering of the 10 eventually lost tribes against the Assyrians. this is a major point in the old testament almost everything revolves around in the bible in some way. There are also a lot of other stories of things in and as a result of Davids time as King. One of these could be something that is being referenced somehow in the movie.
Or is it possible the Engineer in the ship was Goliath and he slayed David?! There could easily be things that make this movie make a lot more sense. Can't think of what else could be relevant. There is a part of the bible where David is dethroned and several other events. could it be related to the Engineer. And again then what is Shaw as she was with them in the ship in Prometheus?! If it's related I"m probably looking at the wrong story. Or it's not a biblical reference anymore if anything.
And is Davids creator God or something else... It might make sense if it's not goliath. If shaw is there and Shaw is Davids(biblical davids) second wife. His father is not his biological father. He's his creator. Maybe it's a reference to David failing god in part of the bible. This is another big part of the David story in the Bible. It's related to his first son dieing and several other things. Either Prometheus is the story of David taking his second wife and killing her husband. Or it's something afterwords. The death of his creator could be a reference to him turning his back on god as I think is part of the story. King David in the bible can be seen as the start of the entire fall of Israel. Earlier when Israel asked for a king for instance the bible says it made god angry. This is what ultimately led to king David in the bible. Later his son finishes off making mistakes which literally ends with the 10 tribes eventually being wiped out. Then later this leads to a long wait till the end of the new testament and the start of the new testament with the destruction of the second temple etc...
I might be off on part of this. He had multiple children but these all could be related to the movies premise.
https://en.wikipedia...i/Sons_of_David
https://en.wikipedia...David%27s_wives
http://www.bibleaboo...avidsFamily.pdf
I counted 19 or 20 children. How many crew in Prometheus?
http://alienantholog...us_Crew_Members
I wonder if they represent people directly. either children or otherwise. the constant death of crew could parallel the bible parts related to David or similar figures. Or from other mythology/religions.
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Absalom’s
daughter, also named Tamar was, ‘a woman with a bea
utiful face’ (2 Samuel 14:27). ‘In all Israel there
was
none to be so much praised as Absalom for his beaut
y from the sole of his foot to the crown of his hea
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had no blemish. When he cut the hair of his head at
the end of each year because it was heavy on him,
he
weighed the hair of his head at two hundred shekels
(about 2½ kilograms)’ (2 Samuel 14:25 & 26). In li
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with the fair-haired, fair-skinned description, the
family probably had blue eyes.
daughter, also named Tamar was, ‘a woman with a bea
utiful face’ (2 Samuel 14:27). ‘In all Israel there
was
none to be so much praised as Absalom for his beaut
y from the sole of his foot to the crown of his hea
d, he
had no blemish. When he cut the hair of his head at
the end of each year because it was heavy on him,
he
weighed the hair of his head at two hundred shekels
(about 2½ kilograms)’ (2 Samuel 14:25 & 26). In li
ne
with the fair-haired, fair-skinned description, the
family probably had blue eyes.
Notice the blond haired and possibly blue eyed David was cutting his hair... I wonder if he represents multiple people or is a revolving door or meaning referencing relations from David or something entirely different.
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King David’s whole family were blessed with gifted
musical talent.
musical talent.
Satan or whatever the names associated with Satan are at some points name him as a musician... I wonder if it's being viewed as David and his family(this can easily be construed or attached to the biblical stories. People loved David but consequences are consequences. Including giving up responsibilities to a king or whatever as the bible can be viewed as saying in part and this copying/using some aspect of.). They are all related or attached to the circumstance of the fall of Israel... And you can take the entire bible as a precautionary tale if you want at every point. There could be things related to the people involved or the other theme of the old testament that the whole thing is nothing but showing how they sinned(like Adam and Eve) and made god angry over and over and the punishments(as the bible directly state they are). If you know any references to Christianity you have probably heard everything in the new testament is a reference to the old. So that connects anything in the bible as a reference. And most imagery like in revelation are cross referencing the entire old testament at once potentially. Using referencing multiple stories at once with each sentence. One overlying viewpoint is that it, like most religions, are about or go over the same thing we would describe as the rise and fall of civilization. That is basically the OT(old testament) but with a focus on Israel and it's citizen as focus. All of which is or can fit into parts of the other themes in these movies. Just like all the other religious texts. Note Satan(if he's the name referenced as a musician) was close to god and then fell. That is another theme in the bible. It's the entirety of most things much of modern Christianity view as end time things. If not the imagery is all very similar or identical. And the OT is basically nothing but a giant description of how Israel fell(the flow of civilization and similar subjects). There is basically nothing in it that cannot be viewed as serving a purpose in describing that sort of thing. Hence why it can fit into this type of movie so well.
So, does anyone else see any other blatant similarities or references to the bible or other stories?
The Musician/David and other things are fairly strongly a possibility in one sense or another along with the not harming plants and other references noted at the top of the post.
I wonder if this will reveal what the other movies will be about. If there are enough direct reference, or nothing but, we might know what the rest of it will be about. Or even possibly what the other movies were already about.. 8) Either way the more you look into this I bet the more striking similarities there will be to at least the bible, greek, and Sumerian.
Example of biblical misunderstandings: Remember this is a 2000 year old book. People can take things like the story of 3 servants in the new testament. This reference is references elsewhere in the bible(which are worded slightly differently potentially and are further a potential reference to something significant in the old testament in one or more ways you may not expect with multiple other meanings/intents when seen. Possibly related as a moral tale in some way though. But it can tie in odd things into other stories you don't think about until you connect the dots. I'm not joking if you are not familiar with this sort of subject.). A master gives 3 servants money and later asks them to return it(he gave it to them to put it to use as their boss.). One Servant digs his money in the ground to hide it and gets nothing. Another ones puts 5 coin to use and makes 5 more, another puts 10 coins to work and gains 10 more. It then states he who has 5 will be given 5, he with 10, 10 more, he who puts it in the ground. The master was angry and asked why he hid the money instead of taking it alteast to the bank to gain interest. With how it's worded in some version( mind you it's translated through multiple languages) some people take it in a cruel way that the master doesn't like the servant for doing nothing and being unfair. But they miss the potential point. Like how the viewpoint of god being a still small wind and how certain enemies in the bible are defeated without hand in "the day of the LORD", this all leads to a view that god can be viewed as natural consequences. So, another viewpoint of the story is that is it simply allegorical to natural things. If you put nothing into something you get nothing in return. If you put more effort into something you get more back in proportion to the work you put into it. This makes the story more common sense and not so harsh. Most arguments about things in the bible are missing these points and then attack it and miss the point. Most of the stories of the bible can be simply turned into this and other common sense things in life. But either way, many of these things specifically when looked in these ways and especially when take to a more complex level can be easily put into this sort of movie. And are traditionally looked at in ways in movies or the subjects movies take from. Along with most other older religious text of the general time period. Many of the historical looking things have deeper versions of these types of lessons. Or look a lot like it. It's likely the people writing it used it as examples. Because the other theme in the bible are prophets. People god sent to warn Israel of their sins and the consequences. Usually telling ahead of time the conquering previously mentions and similar things. And most of these books are named after these prophets and possibly written by them or similar... If you get my point! >< Although that also fits another theme. And people in Hollywood like to think they are apart of these sorts of things or write about things this way. Prophets can be seen as people stuck in a certain position and the natural lessons they learn about the consequences of society. Hint hint. Probably also a convenient thing to use in stories. On top of it there are lots of views on each part and each combo. Many of which are splintered version of an older more complex idea using all of it. 8d
In fact the story of the 3 servants is made more obvious one of the stories version(there are several) where it says he has will be given more. I think it changes the story a bit. But it's alluding to the god does or can stand for natural consequences. Or how things go without mans intervention. People often say the story is mean but it's really referencing how the world works. If worded differently people would normally agree with the story. On top of this some description of god in the OT make it sound like the bible is using that description of god on purpose(which I think it is.) It basically makes it sound like god is only the natural flow of things or a being who made world in a way(like his aspects, like Adam was) and the very nature of the world follows this with or without his intervention. This could actually also be a part of the alien story eventually if not already. It's part of things like Gnostic beliefs and other various viewpoints and might be the type of stuff used in part. AKA when the Babylonians and Assyrians were taken over the bible said god brought them against Israel as punishment as his servant. AKA potentially it could mean that it is the sins of the past coming to haunt them. Or the natural consequences of life over time. Rise and fall of civilization. Either way these getting into common viewpoints in the sphere of ideas this is 99% likely to be take from. I wouldn't be too surprised if it's may be going into some depth with it also. That or it took from stuff in a way that makes it looks that way. In the bible even the stupid looking numerical references and things that read like a military review in the bible are interwoven to mean substantial things in other parts of the bible. And to the types of things these movies can pull from. It is a fairly interesting book if you look at it from the standpoint of how many internal cross references it makes. I bet it has the universal record! So, that means any number given or put on subtlety or any other minute detail can mean something significant. wink wink. If you want to get into what bible referencing can do in a story.
Fun thing is.any odd little detail can almost always be cross reference to another part of the bible. Because just about everything else in the bible seems to be cross referencing something else again. Or reiterating the same lesson potentially and then the elements cross. Makes it interesting! 8p Again, not joking!
So, if you think a story with blatant aspects like the name David is simple and just there to be there. Don't count on it! Those are not betting odds! Anyone familiar enough to stick this in a story can and does know decent amount of those cross references. They are generally things that are or are viewed as significant to the point. So adding any of them even in the most straight forward way usually comes with others. Like emotional baggage! ><
Some of this may have to do with the reality before computers. I think some preacher used to say that the books had things in them(like the alphabet) that helped teach to maintain it for scholars. I wouldn't be surprised. It makes you study hard to figure stuff out. That could force familiarity among those maintaining it. And it's a practical self contained method for the potential realities of the time period. They had to pass things on for generations. Assuming it's not a natural consequence of the subject(which would only add to the potential complexity) it could be the reason for the nature of the book and hence the stuff afterwords...
And the killing of his son was over the fact he ***** or tried to **** his sister or half sister or something...I forget. But I think he may have tried to take over the throne as well. There are a bunch of little stories that are scattered throughout the bible that could explain the story elements. I say this because David has a sister. If the story is going through parts of the life of David it could be using the crew as characters for some reason. This would of course assume that David stands for more than king David but maybe his relatives or sons...?! Not familiar with King David's sisters or any stories about them. Is there a similar thing in the Greek or Sumerian or similar. I'm not sure where if anything the elements are taking part in or referencing.
Thought: If David is King David, Shaw Bathsheba, and her husband Bathsheba's husband...(note David killed him by sending him to war in an evil sneaky way. David killed Shaws husband with the goo.) do the aliens represent war and the consequences or other things related to it. David is using the Goo/Aliens to affect things. Could it mean even deeper not war but things associated like use of political intrigue and more subtle things before war. They are the perfect being after all. Maybe this means perfect method. He defeats them with their own weapons...(non physical weapons?!) That sounds about right. Or Maybe the aliens represent the Sumerians/Babylonians or another enemy and King David using something against them....(maybe physical or an aspect of achieving victory. there could be direct reference here. His battles have stories) Or ultimately the reality associated with David and Solomon. Religious idolatry. The 10 kingdoms were lost because of Solomon harem. Not because of the marriage but because the marriage makes him tied to his wife naturally. OT always warn of interfaith marriage. They convinced him, like a normal wife, to do what they want also. AKA follow their gods as they are used to doing(This is another major theme in the bible). That is stated repeatedly to be an important cause of things in the OT. Even the NT references things that this relates too. Return from captivity of the Jews(post Babylonian conquest. this is related to king xerxes... but this may be too late for this story directly, but is cross referenced in the bible so may have secondary signifigance.). They sin again and then they are told their last chance is up but won't end for several hundred years.. The cause is marriage related and or religious idolatry. This cross refernces ultimately revelation and Queen Jezebel and endless other things in the OT used in most bible stories.(massive cross references.) Also David in the bible had a lot of military conquests... if the perfect weapon is the development of religious or political things as weapons it could represent things related to those wars or other wise. It could also reference to thing in those religions being used that we and the progression of those religions. which is another theme. Babylonian religion... this again tied to the idolatry and potentially modern views on corruption of religion and things used as it corrupted. By those in and especially out of those religions. That is an ancient theme. And possibly what the bible is referencing on some level. And possibly in some way by the writers. David is attacking something twice remove from him attached to Sumeria... Sumeria lead to Babylonian religion if I'm not mistake and then that lead to Jewish... Abraham cam from UR which is Sumerian actually but also possibly Babylonian. They are interrelated in history in some fashion. There are a lot of possibilities in this... Created could in part mean came from. One comes into existence and removes the last naturally. Just like in my previous examples. Allegorical... The other things, again, is blatant references to specific military conquests...
This brings up another possible misunderstanding of bible stories. King David I think is noted to sin in how he kills Bathsheba husband. People note that how god reacts is god playing favoritism. But people don't consider gods reaction is an allegory for the natural consequences and is part of laying out a story showing how they unfold.(This is another major theme potentially of the most known stories of the bible directly) This is potentially the type of meaning to god is a still small voice/still small breeze?!. BTW, I'm waiting for that to be a reference. That is one of the more famous ones. I think it's even a theme in things in oriental and Japanese religions in some form. It could be very subtle. Intertwined in not so obvious things and a little breeze blows someone hair or something in the background signifying something to this affect.
Note: The theme of David is immeasurably significant n the bible. This is because the OT promise of the messiah is through the line of David. their savior is needed because of their sins also. It is that kind of story. And in the new Testament that is obviously Christ etc. But most things are a reference because David is related directly to the biggest thing in the old testament. The messiah! that could also be why David is in the prequels... It could be a setup for similar elements in the future assuming the are layed out in sudo or literal chronological order. The above is why everything in the bible is so interrelated. Because it is so interrelated. When you get into it more it's important to the main story. And story writing is not different ultimately if it's truth reality fiction or other. So, it's not odd for ancient methods and movies. Which are literally just stories put into picture. Writers will study and use writing no matter the origin because it is part of their craft. It is an invaluable example of possible ways to write. And note the old testemant being about isreals failing and stuff is fundamental to the point. the need of a Messiahs and the reason for it. There would not be a point without an established need. That is part or the entirety of the reason the OT is nothing but Isreal becoming something then god handily wooping their butts with foreign armies until he, according to the bible, destroys them. Again, the messiah theme and potential literalness or quickly deepening allegory. Which goes into potential story fast... Although I don't know what is being focused on in the prequals... The new/old movies could use this more.
There is a funny irony to using Judeo/Christianity in movies and stories as they are today... Wether you say it's done well or not it's a massive example of one story finishing another(in fact it's a volume of stories bulked together with a volume of books/stories finishing them). That is the entirety of the new testament. It's stating Christ fits the messiah and everything else and more endless cross references in multiple volumes. It's very old example of something fairly similar to what is happening today in writing!>< I wonder if they use it for that reason at all when they are writing. lol I wonder if that is related to the origins of the exclamation Jesus Christ!? Religious people like priests traditionally have a sense of humor. Especially about their religion(like many professions). At least when you get behind the scenes! ><
Edited by Arugela, 30 May 2017 - 02:12 AM.
