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[LordNothing]

as i run my annihilators over and over and over again trying to score some cbills from the leaderboard i keep suffering the same recurring problem. smaller mechs standing way to close to me (and because of its crazy height mechs like timbies can do this too). using me for cover or simply blocking my movements. annihilators are slow enough when you max their engine and unlock all the speed tweak nodes. then every time one of these [little mechs impedes] all forward momentum. and its not like you can see [them] under your beer gut. so you dont know which way you need to move to free up your legs. all the while you are taking damage.

just stop it.

Edited by McValium, 08 August 2017 - 03:33 AM.
Cleanup up

[Kiiyor]

LordNothing, on 08 August 2017 - 02:05 AM, said:

as i run my annihilators over and over and over again trying to score some cbills from the leaderboard i keep suffering the same recurring problem. smaller mechs standing way to close to me (and because of its crazy height mechs like timbies can do this too). using me for cover or simply blocking my movements. annihilators are slow enough when you max their engine and unlock all the speed tweak nodes. then every time one of these [little mechs impedes] all forward momentum. and its not like you can see [them] under your beer gut. so you dont know which way you need to move to free up your legs. all the while you are taking damage.


just stop it.

It's event play.

At the start of the event, things were different. Now that it's at the pointy end, my average match time has dropped by more than two freaking minutes. It's an insane scramble for damage and kills, and the slight amount of decorum that exists in normal PUG play has been defenestrated with great prejudice.

Edited by McValium, 08 August 2017 - 03:34 AM.
quote cleanup

[Zergling]

Kiiyor, on 08 August 2017 - 02:13 AM, said:

It's event play.

At the start of the event, things were different. Now that it's at the pointy end, my average match time has dropped by more than two freaking minutes. It's an insane scramble for damage and kills, and the slight amount of decorum that exists in normal PUG play has been defenestrated with great prejudice.

Yep, that's why I haven't been bothered to play since I got the weight class challenges done. Not worth the hassle, and I don't care enough about the Event Leaderboards to make any sort of attempt at those.

[LordNothing]

i forget that there are potatoes out there that didnt clear the the personal challenge on the first day.

and thank you moderators for sanitizing the bit of comedy gold that was the thread title. idk if i want to live in the sanitized world yall seem to want to live in. seems, boring.

[Shifty McSwift]

LordNothing, on 08 August 2017 - 03:17 AM, said:

i forget that there are potatoes out there that didnt clear the the personal challenge on the first day.

and thank you moderators for sanitizing the bit of comedy gold that was the thread title. idk if i want to live in the sanitized world yall seem to want to live in. seems, boring.

I don't even know what the change was, but sanitising their main public communications platform that is considered to be for the all ages audience is perfectly logical and hardly the same as wanting the entire world subject to the exact same generalised all ages rulesets.

It isn't weird at all, it's why even though I love me a bit of hardcore gangsta raps, I don't go into kindergartens to pump the tunes, and when I am in a grocery store I don't use it as an opportunity to aggressively force my religious ideals on strangers etc. There are of course occasions where these kinds of things do happen though, with various kinds of public responses. This particular environment usually involves the equivalent of slaps on the wrist compared to some kinds of responses considered normal.

Edited by Shifty McSwift, 08 August 2017 - 03:30 AM.

[LordNothing]

Shifty McSwift, on 08 August 2017 - 03:30 AM, said:

I don't even know what the change was, but sanitising their main public communications platform that is considered to be for the all ages audience is perfectly logical and hardly the same as wanting the entire world subject to the exact same generalised all ages rulesets.

It isn't weird at all, it's why even though I love me a bit of hardcore gangsta raps, I don't go into kindergartens to pump the tunes, and when I am in a grocery store I don't use it as an opportunity to aggressively force my religious ideals on strangers etc. There are of course occasions where these kinds of things do happen though, with various kinds of public responses. This particular environment usually involves the equivalent of slaps on the wrist compared to some kinds of responses considered normal.

because its totally not the kind of thing 5 year olds wouldn't come up with on their own. hell ive heard worse language in the cartoons they watch. when i was in my 20s my very cheap brother decided id be perfrct for babysitting, introducing the 3 year old to death metal and doom. she can out deathmatch me now.

Edited by LordNothing, 08 August 2017 - 03:34 AM.

[Shifty McSwift]

LordNothing, on 08 August 2017 - 03:31 AM, said:

because its totally not the kind of thing 5 year olds wouldn't come up with on their own. hell ive heard worse language in the cartoons they watch. when i was 5 my very cheap brother decided id be perfrct for babysitting, introducing the 3 year old to death metal and doom.

In a somewhat controlled and private environment under the supervision of someone your parents or guardian had some kind of trust in, or were not in control of.

I understand concerns about censorship and thought policing, but we live by these kinds of personal choices and decisions on a daily basis in entirely "normal" and healthy ways. Do you really want a lack there? Would you send your 3 year old to a kindergarten where I was free to bust out my hardcore nasty raps at your child while someone is trying to actually educate him/her? Would you be fine with someone standing inside or at the front of your store screaming paranoid conspiracy theories about your connections to the lizard people at your customers all day?

It is or has mostly always been a sort of; live by the "house rules" etiquette, when in Rome etc. Digital spaces might have been entirely different for a short while, but they are mostly subject to those same kinds of rules, despite many peoples arguments against, it is much the same as a publicly or privately owned space, and subject to the rules of the "owner of the house" (the level people choose to live up to that is always questionable, but the idea that consequences will apply for what the "owner" considers bad or unacceptable behaviour within their business/estate etc).

That "owner" doesn't get ultimate rights there either, they are equally subject to the "public ideals" and structures too, they can only go so far in controlling peoples behaviour, but there are mostly generally agreed upon "lines" that you just don't cross and expect no reaction.

Edited by Shifty McSwift, 08 August 2017 - 03:50 AM.

[LordNothing]

Shifty McSwift, on 08 August 2017 - 03:47 AM, said:

In a somewhat controlled and private environment under the supervision of someone your parents or guardian had some kind of trust in, or were not in control of.

I understand concerns about censorship and thought policing, but we live by these kinds of personal choices and decisions on a daily basis in entirely "normal" and healthy ways. Do you really want a lack there? Would you send your 3 year old to a kindergarten where I was free to bust out my hardcore nasty raps at your child while someone is trying to actually educate him/her? Would you be fine with someone standing inside or at the front of your store screaming paranoid conspiracy theories about your connections to the lizard people at your customers all day?

that sounds like gradeschool to me. i bet these kids get trophies for showing up too. i won engineering contests in highschool and didnt get no trophy. i got this stupid certificate that came out of a defective dot matrix printer.

Edited by LordNothing, 08 August 2017 - 03:56 AM.

[MechWarrior5152251]

A distinct problem with being overpowered people will use you as cover. Don't worry once they are free to play PGI will hit them with a nerf bat so hard that you will never want to pilot one again....

[LordNothing]

MechWarrior5152251, on 08 August 2017 - 03:58 AM, said:

A distinct problem with being overpowered people will use you as cover. Don't worry once they are free to play PGI will hit them with a nerf bat so hard that you will never want to pilot one again....

i wouldnt call it op. its pretty much an is dire. significantly better in the armor department though it may be and generally the same amount of speed and agility. its size kind of makes it an easy target. still think my ultraviolet is way mode deadly than this beast.

[Shifty McSwift]

LordNothing, on 08 August 2017 - 03:54 AM, said:

that sounds like gradeschool to me.

Maybe at recess, hidden away from teachers. Even the class clowns only get so much leeway.

But you are right in a way, this is the kind of stuff we learn in gradeschool, and even before that too

[MechWarrior5152251]

A Dire with "significantly better armor", but you wouldn't call it OP? lol

Thier only weakness is you can shoot the head/center torso from any elevated position and the Annihilator cannot shoot back. Big head on a stick like a piniata.

[MagicIndex]

LordNothing, on 08 August 2017 - 02:05 AM, said:

as i run my annihilators over and over and over again trying to score some cbills from the leaderboard i keep suffering the same recurring problem. smaller mechs standing way to close to me (and because of its crazy height mechs like timbies can do this too). using me for cover or simply blocking my movements. annihilators are slow enough when you max their engine and unlock all the speed tweak nodes. then every time one of these [little mechs impedes] all forward momentum. and its not like you can see [them] under your beer gut. so you dont know which way you need to move to free up your legs. all the while you are taking damage.

just stop it.

Man, blocking is the problem but... because you mentioned Mobility Nodes, I can clearly state that you actually wasted your Annie. Remember all who play's assaults: - ANH, KGC, BNC, HGN, Stalker, Cyclope and Victor( DWF, EXE, KDK, WRH) first Nodes you need asap is Survival and Operational. They are - MANDATORY. And only BLR, some BNC or EXE builds are run with Mobility Nodes, but still Survival is first to go with Operarional due to structure strength and heat disipation.

Yeas if you run Mediums or Heavies you mostly need an Mobility, Operational and Firepower nodes cause you do not have a resouces to tank damage. Big assaults have that resource. For exsample just my EXE have 130 frontal CT + 70 or 60 innerstructure which is 200 dmg sustain or over. I can face 2 DWF's with alphas more than 110DMG each and steamroll'em without being cored And I catch every game some Light muppet who try to cut through my back and the poor b-tart in 99% of cases get his face broken by a single pin-point 60 DMG alpha))).

[An Innocent Urbie]

working as intended! you cannot have your cake and eat it too

[Curccu]

MechWarrior5152251, on 08 August 2017 - 06:21 AM, said:

A Dire with "significantly better armor", but you wouldn't call it OP? lol

Thier only weakness is you can shoot the head/center torso from any elevated position and the Annihilator cannot shoot back. Big head on a stick like a piniata.

It has it weaknesses and strengths wouldn't call it OP but very strong when played correctly.
Weapon positions (low weapons & high model) and speed forces you to commit to whatever you want to do often there is no backing down after you have rammed that W-button down. But then again the strengths, I haven't lost any 1v1 situations so far with my ~20 games in it, I have even defeated 2v1 situations without significant damage taken few times.

[MagicIndex]

LordNothing, on 08 August 2017 - 04:02 AM, said:

still think my ultraviolet is way mode deadly than this beast.

Actually yours DWF-UV is kind a LOL-Mek, an easy pray even if there is Potato-Tier against ya. DWF is made for supression, not brawling. Annie is a mostly brawler, heavy gun platform, not an surpressor.

Personaly, my Glad never saw an DireWhale who can stand and hit back on any Tier, Kodi might be 50vs50, but not an DWF definitely

[LordNothing]

MagicIndex, on 08 August 2017 - 06:32 AM, said:

Actually yours DWF-UV is kind a LOL-Mek, an easy pray even if there is Potato-Tier against ya. DWF is made for supression, not brawling. Annie is a mostly brawler, heavy gun platform, not an surpressor.

Personaly, my Glad never saw an DireWhale who can stand and hit back on any Tier, Kodi might be 50vs50, but not an DWF definitely

great, i look forward to seeing you in my crosshairs.

underestimating your enemy is a bad thing to do. many a squirrel did this. i know the light pilots who are a threat to me by name, its a short list. dwf is a lot better at dispatching lights than the annihilator is thats for sure. with the ani they can just stand under your beer gut, though the free arms do help against lateral movers. but if they just walk up to you and shoot you in the crotch, you are done. the low arms on the dire on the other hand are at about squirrel level.

Edited by LordNothing, 08 August 2017 - 02:49 PM.

[Athom83]

I run into the same problem in my Cyclops and Atlas. The cockpit is so high, smaller friendlies just step out in front of you and stop you despite that you never saw them. And occasionally they step out in front of you right as you fire, doing 50-odd team damage when you never even seen them. Then they get crabby and start calling you a n00b despite the fact that they were the one that wandered in front of an assault mech with a UAC/20 and a lot of SRM(a)s with a cockpit so high up it goes clean over their mech.

[LordNothing]

MagicIndex, on 08 August 2017 - 06:25 AM, said:

Man, blocking is the problem but... because you mentioned Mobility Nodes, I can clearly state that you actually wasted your Annie. Remember all who play's assaults: - ANH, KGC, BNC, HGN, Stalker, Cyclope and Victor( DWF, EXE, KDK, WRH) first Nodes you need asap is Survival and Operational. They are - MANDATORY. And only BLR, some BNC or EXE builds are run with Mobility Nodes, but still Survival is first to go with Operarional due to structure strength and heat disipation.

Yeas if you run Mediums or Heavies you mostly need an Mobility, Operational and Firepower nodes cause you do not have a resouces to tank damage. Big assaults have that resource. For exsample just my EXE have 130 frontal CT + 70 or 60 innerstructure which is 200 dmg sustain or over. I can face 2 DWF's with alphas more than 110DMG each and steamroll'em without being cored And I catch every game some Light muppet who try to cut through my back and the poor b-tart in 99% of cases get his face broken by a single pin-point 60 DMG alpha))).

i think sensor and mobility are critical on assaults. sensor side you need at least one seismo for light fighting. its a threat and you need to be ready for it. 2 is better if you are an all out brawler. radar derps because missiles, time between cover is longer and you need all the help you can get. and unlike ams, radar derp doesnt cost no tonnage.

mobility is also key for light fighting. you can not be the dakka monster you want to be if you die to an overzealous squirrel with a big sack on your way to battle. i cant stress it enough, if you want to run assaults well you need to learn to deal with light mechs (i also run lights as my second favorite class and knowing both sides' tactics helps greatly). they often put themselves at a great disadvantage to take you out, which results in a 1v1 against a mech that can one hit you. i see it as a great source of free kills. you especially want the torso enhancement nodes (left side). the speed tweak nodes are mandatory i think, especially on the annihilator. my uv doesnt have them and i kind of regret it.

most assault builds already have great firepower, so theres no point in buffing it further. unlocking things like cd can actually be a hindrance to your heat management. so any use of the firepower tree should be limited to things like velocity, range, ammo and especially heat gen. 30 nodes is usually the firepower budget for this kind of assault. it also helps if you run weapons that are not dependant on certain nodes to get the most out of that weapon, for example lbx and uac. my uv runs cac2s, because they are cold, can crit, are ppfld, and dont require special nodes. not to mention they are useful out to 1000m. really ruins peoples paper cut laser trades. it can still hold its own in a fair brawl.

operations, first 9 or 11 is usually good enough, full unlock only if you are doing some kind of laser or ppc boat. i opt for only 9 for a dakka boat. there is no one great trick to win. you have to tailor everything to your loadout, and sometimes your loadout needs changes to better take advantage of the skill trees.

survival is damn useful on an assault mech, but i tend to just opt for the armor buffs. if you are walking around with exposed structure all the time you are doing something terribly wrong. some skills are complementary (takes what you have and makes it better), while others are supplementary (makes up for a weakness). for complementary skills, if your mech has it, it pays to buff it, and the survival tree is one of those. mobility on the other hand is supplementary. where an assault always wants to run survivability, the light does not always want to run mobility, it already has it and more is just diminishing returns, better to allocate elsewhere. for the high end that suffers from terrible speed caps and sluggish torso movement, mobility pays out. what good is firepower you cant bring to bear quickly enough?

Edited by LordNothing, 08 August 2017 - 03:23 PM.