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[TKSax]

Here are my thoughts on PGI's "new" mech packs.

[InvictusLee]

my question to you is; when does PGI ever actually listen to one single person?
In fact, when do they listen at all? Haha.

[Angel of Annihilation]

Your hitting up all the points I have complained about.

My biggest issue is that the mech packs have lost about 60% of their value. Also what PGI has done is replace that real dollar value that was premium time with early access and increase the value of this early access by extending the C-bill release of the mech by an absurd amount of time. Basically they are holding access to these mechs hostage unless you pay to get them almost a year earlier than you access them with C-bills. It really feels like a big FU to the players.

[El Bandito]

MC/C-Bill release was always done 6 months after initial release, and month by month if there are multiple mechs per pack. The wait times are long, but PGI did not deviate from their normal modus operandi.

Edited by El Bandito, 11 June 2017 - 03:20 AM.

[Xetelian]

The packs used to be 30 days standard 60 days collector's.

I didn't realize they weren't banked any more, that is harsh.


The cBill release dates are outrageous even if the haven't gone up.

Edited by Xetelian, 11 June 2017 - 03:26 AM.

[razenWing]

I am sorry, but... your whole big face and the barely lit dungeon in the background is too distracting. I am sure that you have a lot of insightful things to say, [redacted]

Pull the camera back, make more interesting background, inter-slice with game footage... something... because what you have right now? Sorry dood, it's not working for me.

Edited by Tina Benoit, 19 June 2017 - 02:20 PM.
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[Scyther]

Well, I haven't bought any mech packs in a while anyway. I already have more mechs, bays, banked time, etc than I can use.

The primary issue for me though is 'voting with your dollars'. If PGI is making money shovelling endless mechpacks out the door, then they aren't really encouraged to spend effort on anything but their mech-design department. (Which, IMHO, is basically what they have been doing.)

The pace of development on other aspects of the game has been ridiculously slow and cumbersome. Not saying they haven't done some good work over the years, but to me (as a programmer, and prior game developer), they have apparently spent 5 years to do roughly 3 years worth of development.

PGI has also put virtually no effort into broadening their income stream with other monetization features.

It's not uncommon for a company to get complacent about their product so long as the money is coming in the door. I decided almost 2 years ago that I wasn't going to support complacency with my $$. I've got plenty of games to play where the devs are working hard to release viable updates on a regular basis.

I hate to say it, but if you feel the mechpack value isn't there (and maybe even if you do), just stop buying them. En masse. And tweet Russ about exactly why.

[KodiakGW]

Having no premium time hurts new players the most. I hope they consider that. They are getting three mechs, and probably want to level all three. They don't have banked premium time, HSP, GXP, and CBills that us vets have. Adding at least some premium time will give them a reason to play more and get the mechs leveled.

At this point, unless I really want the early adopter rewards, not going to buy. Value not there anymore.

razenWing, on 11 June 2017 - 04:12 AM, said:

I am sorry, but... your whole big face and the barely lit dungeon in the background is too distracting. I am sure that you have a lot of insightful things to say, but I can't shake the feeling that in 2 minutes after you end the video, you are going to hire 5 prostitutes and have a S/M party in the same exact spot.

Pull the camera back, make more interesting background, inter-slice with game footage... something... because what you have right now? Sorry dood, it's not working for me.

Guess you actually had nothing useful to add to the subject. Bravo on your personal attack....

Edited by KodiakGW, 11 June 2017 - 05:19 AM.

[Gasboy]

KodiakGW, on 11 June 2017 - 05:18 AM, said:

Having no premium time hurts new players the most. I hope they consider that. They are getting three mechs, and probably want to level all three. They don't have banked premium time, HSP, GXP, and CBills that us vets have. Adding at least some premium time will give them a reason to play more and get the mechs leveled.

At this point, unless I really want the early adopter rewards, not going to buy. Value not there anymore.

Uhm, if a new player is playing all three mechs, that means they are making use of their premium time, yes? The loss of premium time, banked of not, is the real loss. And if anything, new players are hurt the least. A new player has the option to buy all the old packs, the ones with banked premium time.

The change in the packs will force me to consider whether or not I want the mech early or not for a much longer period of time.

[TKSax]

El Bandito, on 11 June 2017 - 03:20 AM, said:

MC/C-Bill release was always done 6 months after initial release, and month by month if there are multiple mechs per pack. The wait times are long, but PGI did not deviate from their normal modus operandi.

No they were not, Like I said in the Video for a While when they were first doing single mech releases they would release the Hero, then 2 weeks later the Chassis for MC and then 2 weeks later the actual mechs. And I am sorry 200+ days is not there normal modus operandi.

razenWing, on 11 June 2017 - 04:12 AM, said:

I am sorry, but... your whole big face and the barely lit dungeon in the background is too distracting. I am sure that you have a lot of insightful things to say, but I can't shake the feeling that in 2 minutes after you end the video, you are going to hire 5 prostitutes and have a S/M party in the same exact spot.

Pull the camera back, make more interesting background, inter-slice with game footage... something... because what you have right now? Sorry dood, it's not working for me.

Sorry its a distraction for you, but I live in a small house with a family, you know a life outside of streaming and making vidoes. I am not going to put a green screen up when I need all the space I can get.

Now on the rest I did put some game footage in my first video, and this video I was mainly talking about the mech packs and it seemed the webpages are what I need. The next video well defiantly have a lot of game footage intermixed it.

[El Bandito]

TKSax, on 11 June 2017 - 06:03 AM, said:

No they were not, Like I said in the Video for a While when they were first doing single mech releases they would release the Hero, then 2 weeks later the Chassis for MC and then 2 weeks later the actual mechs. And I am sorry 200+ days is not there normal modus operandi.

1. This is a pack release, not single mech release.

2. 6 months wait has been the standard ever since the Clan invasion packs. This is nothing new.

[cazidin]

I WARNED ALL OF YOU!

FEAR THE NEW MECHPACK SYSTEM!
But no! I was told that we wouldn't have to pay more or lose ANY of our current perks!

[MustrumRidcully]

Well... If they were to take an idea from Star Trek Online.

Put mechs with exclusiv efeatures (like unique decals/Camo/colors and a variant geo) into the supply boxes.
Raise the number of boxes dropped per match.
Sell box key prices at higher price.

They can easily finetune the supply box exclusive item drop that the cost of getting a mech via pure luck from those boxes is in the same region as those Gold Mechs from the first Clan Wave.

Of course, MW:O lacks the player-driven exchange market. WIth such a market, the system would be even better, because people would sell exclusive items they don't personally want or need to others so they get the C-Bills they need.

[Gasboy]

TKSax, on 11 June 2017 - 06:03 AM, said:

Sorry its a distraction for you, but I live in a small house with a family, you know a life outside of streaming and making vidoes. I am not going to put a green screen up when I need all the space I can get.

While I think the guy's prostitute comment was in bad taste and completely distracting from his argument, your video would be better served if the lighting was better. That doesn't require a green screen nor any extra space.

Edited by Gasboy, 11 June 2017 - 06:49 AM.

[KodiakGW]

Gasboy, on 11 June 2017 - 05:52 AM, said:

Uhm, if a new player is playing all three mechs, that means they are making use of their premium time, yes? The loss of premium time, banked of not, is the real loss. And if anything, new players are hurt the least. A new player has the option to buy all the old packs, the ones with banked premium time.

The change in the packs will force me to consider whether or not I want the mech early or not for a much longer period of time.

So, let me get this straight. You are suggesting that new players not only purchase the most recent pack to get the mech they want, but to also purchase one of the older ones to get premium time? So spend $40 instead of $20? Does this mean you have purchased every prior mech pack and mech bundle, and now cannot purchase any more to get premium time included? If not, could you do the same? But, also have at least components to swap, GXP, and CBills to help level the mechs? So how do you have it worse?

Not sure why you are making an argument. I'm agreeing that the loss of premium time means that these new packs are less of a value for all players. It is enticing for newer players to buy a pack of mechs not available for CBills. It is less enticing if they don't get premium time to help level the mech.

[TKSax]

El Bandito, on 11 June 2017 - 06:06 AM, said:

2. 6 months wait has been the standard ever since the Clan invasion packs. This is nothing new.

Hmm 6 months not equal to 288 or even 207 days... and yes while it is not new I raised the concern back then and since, in the end I do not think these long windows help the sell mech packs but end up causing them more issues (pay 2 win, appearance of nerf on cbill release) than stretching the wind to possibly entice a few new sales. If you only defense is this is nothing new, that's not a really well though out defense just a cop out.

Edited by TKSax, 11 June 2017 - 07:20 AM.

[TKSax]

Gasboy, on 11 June 2017 - 06:49 AM, said:

While I think the guy's prostitute comment was in bad taste and completely distracting from his argument, your video would be better served if the lighting was better. That doesn't require a green screen nor any extra space.

The lighting is what it is, I have Light by my desk and a light over my head that back-lights me, I will fool around with it, but that is my office that I work in and share as a guest room when people are visiting, I am limited in what I Can do.

[El Bandito]

TKSax, on 11 June 2017 - 07:17 AM, said:

Hmm 6 months not equal to 288 or even 207 days... and yes while it is not new I raised the concern back then and since, in the end I do not think these long windows help the sell mech packs but end up causing them more issues (pay 2 win, apperance of nerf on cbill release) than stretching the wind to possibly entice a few new sales.

Never said long release delay is not problematic.

[Athom83]

November11th, on 10 June 2017 - 10:53 PM, said:

my question to you is; when does PGI ever actually listen to one single person?
In fact, when do they listen at all? Haha.

You mean how they totally didn't listen to the few players who whined about the skill tree getting it pushed back by months or Energy Draw indefinitely? Yah, totally not listening to their playerbase.

Edited by Athom83, 12 June 2017 - 07:33 AM.

[Calcite]

the mechlab has become mess fter the release of the (S) variants.

Makes the civel war mechs .... bla