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[Kalimaster]

While the subject of religion is controversial, a monument for the 10 Commandments was placed on the capital grounds in Arkansas, only to have a man drive over the monument and destroy it. He did the same thing in Oklahoma. Objection to something is not the right to destroy it. Why can't we live in peace?

[Alienized]

because religions.

[Saint Atlas and the Commando Elf]

Driving over a monument is material damage. I don't see how that is related to the issue of peace/war.

[Alienized]

Saint Atlas and the Commando Elf, on 28 June 2017 - 02:21 PM, said:

Driving over a monument is material damage. I don't see how that is related to the issue of peace/war.

because humans.

[Davegt27]

the monuments are also historical

if you don't like the United States feel free to leave

[Kaethir]

Davegt27, on 28 June 2017 - 04:52 PM, said:

the monuments are also historical

eh?

The monument in question was in place less than a week...

personally (and I say this as a religious person)... that monument shouldn't be on government property, but that also doesn't give anyone the right to unilaterally destroy it. he should have to pay for it to be replaced, but the new one should have a site chosen for it that isn't government property.

IMHO.

[Kalimaster]

Thank you Kaethir, you have gotten the basic of the principal of what happened. I don't believe religion had much to do with it. It was something that could be destroyed that was controversial and would make him a hero in some peoples eyes. Publicity. What can you say. Not always promotes good things.

[Karl Streiger]

Kaethir, on 29 June 2017 - 06:14 AM, said:

eh?

The monument in question was in place less than a week...

personally (and I say this as a religious person)... that monument shouldn't be on government property, but that also doesn't give anyone the right to unilaterally destroy it. he should have to pay for it to be replaced, but the new one should have a site chosen for it that isn't government property.

IMHO.

Why should it not be placed on government property? I'm pretty sure the Bible as well as God are grounded in most constitutions of most western country.
This doesn't mean that you need to be religious or should not tolerate (or at best be ignorant) other religions but it defines the context of history and history defines the present.

[Kaethir]

Karl Streiger, on 30 June 2017 - 12:57 AM, said:

Why should it not be placed on government property? I'm pretty sure the Bible as well as God are grounded in most constitutions of most western country.
This doesn't mean that you need to be religious or should not tolerate (or at best be ignorant) other religions but it defines the context of history and history defines the present.

One of the base concepts of the US is the separation of church and state, and while I firmly believe some folks take that distinction waaaaaaaaay too far, this is one case where I actually agree. The ten commandments are firmly rooted in judeo-christian religious beliefs, and it is not the government's place to promote - however indirectly - one religion over another.

Again, my humble opinion, and you are certainly free to disagree with me.

[Alienized]

you can see what religion does if it isnt separated from the state in the majority of the islamic world.

[Karl Streiger]

its one thing to promote stuff and a annother to remind people at something.
in general those 10 commandments are not that bad arn't they?

ok i admit i'm surprised that God is not mentioned in the preamble of the US constitution, in Germany it is. However this doesn't mean that gouverment and religion are one.

in the end it doesn't matter if it were a religious text or 10 times spiderpig oh spiderpig.

[Alienized]

definetly spiderpig all along.

[Karl Streiger]

Alienized, on 30 June 2017 - 08:05 AM, said:

you can see what religion does if it isnt separated from the state in the majority of the islamic world.

Think how old the Christian Religion is think of how old the Islamic Religion is.
Take the difference and go back in time of Western Countrys - you don't see any difference maybe it even worse. Only difference is social media and technology - and I bet just because discussing this stuff there we would have won a 2month trip with the Inquisition

[Alienized]

Karl Streiger, on 30 June 2017 - 11:48 PM, said:

Think how old the Christian Religion is think of how old the Islamic Religion is.
Take the difference and go back in time of Western Countrys - you don't see any difference maybe it even worse. Only difference is social media and technology - and I bet just because discussing this stuff there we would have won a 2month trip with the Inquisition

we would have won nothing but some time playing hangman. or even get guillotined. l3l.
i have said for quite a long time that everything christianity done back in medieval times, the islamic religion is doing right now.

we as humans should kind of know better how to treat history. stuff like now should never happen because we should know how awful it is.

thats pretty much why i lost hope for humanity overall.

[Davegt27]

1962 1963 things changed in the US

[Karl Streiger]

I would not go that far - but I think it shows the truth - history defines the future - and as Alienized sadly show people don't give a damn about history.

Considering the current time - i rather would think the new god is the smartphone - and Alexa and Cortana are his angles.

[LMP]

Karl Streiger, on 30 June 2017 - 11:48 PM, said:

Think how old the Christian Religion is think of how old the Islamic Religion is. Take the difference and go back in time of Western Countrys - you don't see any difference maybe it even worse. Only difference is social media and technology - and I bet just because discussing this stuff there we would have won a 2month trip with the Inquisition

The city of Alexandria in the Middle East fulrshed from 800-1100 AD. They were the world center for science, technology and prosperity for 300 years. They made major advances in practically every field of science at the time. They invented Arabic numerals, Algieba and the Algorithm among other things all of which we still use today in the US. Ironically the thing that toppled them and sent them back to the stone age was the Christian religion, not the Muslim religion and it happened very fast. After that the Muslim religion crept in, took over and simply maintained the state of the religious oppression of reason.

There are generally two types of answer, simple but wrong and complex but right. Einstein said, the only thing more dangerous then over complication is oversimplification. There is always more to the story then you think there is.

Edited by LMP, 08 July 2017 - 12:10 PM.