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[A1Ste4kSauce]

So not so long ago when I bought my atlas I had an odd match on canyon. While I was still waddling my way to the frontlines our team managed to get destroyed leaving just me. While I was fighting off some reds a couple of dead teammates were talking about how I apparently am not skilled enough (new mech and new loadout, so yea). I assume they looked up my account because one of them puts in caps "TIER 3." I then proceeded to take out three enemy mechs, two of them fresh, before dying in a blaze of glory. The whole ordeal made these guys seem like schoolchildren and I was wondering, is this really rampant and should I expect to see more of it?

On another note, do people like to blame assaults, namely 100 tonners? I was moving up on mining (in my atlas again) and about to make a turn into the center to push. This bushwacker goes right in front of me, gets lit up, then backs up right into me and gets lit up even more. He loses a torso and blames me for blocking him. He later says that he was the only one pushing and that as an assault I should be leading the push. I tried to reason with him that maybe I would have pushed if he did not get in my way, which would have saved him his torso as well. He didn't understand, but regardless we won. Is this normal as well?


"Destroyed", wrecked essentially, many were dead though... I wasn't in a lrm atlas either and had a high engine. Maybe it was the ac5 that pissed them off? It has an ac20 now as I constantly tweak new mechs. Anyways, I thought this was still a game?

Edited by A1Ste4kSauce, 11 January 2018 - 08:46 AM.

[Bombast]

Its normal, yes.

That being said, if your entire team died before you could get engaged on Canyon, than I suggest working on knowing the maps better, and how to approach. Because that should be impossible - Even a tub like an Annihilator should be able to get to the front lines on Canyon long before people start dying in droves. An Atlas should be able to as well.

Edited by Bombast, 11 January 2018 - 08:14 AM.

[Vargen]

You can not reason with a-holes, they can only release crap.

[Leone]

Unfortunately, Yes. Not everyone can see their own failures and place blame accordingly.

If it's any consolation, they're also the type who do not improve.

That said, I often down graded my mediums and heavies to assault speeds when I was playing quickplay just so I wouldn't blaze past my team. If you know where the fights tend to happen, you can head straight there offa the dropship, and even the venerable atlas can get there in time to fight.

~Leone.

Edited by Leone, 11 January 2018 - 08:19 AM.

[Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood]

Bad players generally try to blame everyone but themselves. You said your team all died before you even managed to get to the fight, that's a pretty bad sign on their part. They don't want to accept that they are the problem and improve themselves so instead they just blame you.

Generally you find this issue more in the lower tiers such as 3-5 rather than 1 and 2.

[A1Ste4kSauce]

Destroyed not being literal, but quite a few died, destroyed as in, wrecked. I don't put low engines in my assaults and advanced towards my team.

[Bud Crue]

Yes and no.

Yes people get pissy about blocking and pushing and such all the time.
Yes people get annoyed with assaults, especially if they are built in a particularly non-optimal manner (e.g. see every thread ever featuring an LRM Atlas) and especially if they are “hiding”.

But no, I have NEVER seen someone take the time during a match to look someone up and teir or stat shame. In fact, I have difficulty even believing it.

Generally, most folks are used to a pretty wide range of casualness to incompetence, and if anything, you get a lone and fairly mild passive/aggressive comment at the end of the match by maybe 1-2 disgruntled players and that’s about it, and even then it has to be in response to something pretty egregious. Mostly its just silence.

[adamts01]

A1Ste4kSauce, on 11 January 2018 - 07:57 AM, said:

On another note, do people like to blame assaults, namely 100 tonners?

Here's the thing. Tonnage = Power in MWO. If you're going to bring an assault to the party you need to carry your weight. See what I did there? Same thing if you bring a heavy. It's a sad day when the Atlas is a **** mech, but rule number 1 in assault quick play is don't bring an Atlas. It's too slow to get to the fight in the fist place (as you know), too slow to keep up with NASCAR, has too small of a pinpoint alpha and too low hardpoints to be relevant. Tier 1 is about going meta or being so ungodly good that you can carry in a Vindicator. Stop bringing your Atlas to a Madcat MKII fight. This is half your fault.

[A1Ste4kSauce]

So I can't have fun in mechs that I like? We all have to be meta?

[Daggett]

I'm at T1 so i can't say much about other tiers but here you will have some amount of toxicity though i think it's not too much.

Beside the above-mentioned bad players who fail to see their own faults and rather seek a scapegoat they can unload their frustration on we also have lots of players who play-for-win but are misinterpreting QP as the place to enforce this on others instead of allowing everyone to jerk around to some degree.

So you will have regular angry comments about bad builds and how one should play this game. Most popular example are LRMs because most players use them wrong by staying too far behind their team for example. So of cause chances are high that someone sees this and points it out.

Which is okay if that player has the manners to do it constructively without insulting you. But many players can't or are unwilling and refer to flaming.

Edited by Daggett, 11 January 2018 - 08:28 AM.

[DancingCorpse]

Bud Crue, on 11 January 2018 - 08:20 AM, said:

But no, I have NEVER seen someone take the time during a match to look someone up and teir or stat shame. In fact, I have difficulty even believing it.

Ever played World of Tanks? People are so set and salty about stats they have made entire programs and websites just for looking up peoples stats with the intent to insult and belittle them in game. Whole mods for you to see every ones stats right next to their name on the score board.

I have no difficulty believing it, because I've seen it......and maybe done it.

[Daggett]

A1Ste4kSauce, on 11 January 2018 - 08:25 AM, said:

So I can't have fun in mechs that I like? We all have to be meta?

Nah, just ignore the tryhards who are unwilling to use the comp-modes the game offers.

QP is the only place we have to try non-meta things out without competitive pressure. They can't take that away no matter how hard they cry and flame as long as you are thick-skinned and ignore them.

Just do what makes fun as long as you support your team and maybe listen to the constructive folks who just try to help you perform better.

Edited by Daggett, 11 January 2018 - 08:35 AM.

[A1Ste4kSauce]

Daggett, on 11 January 2018 - 08:34 AM, said:

Nah, just ignore the tryhards who are unwilling to use the comp-modes the game offers.

QP is the only place we have to try non-meta things out without competitive pressure. They can't take that away no matter how hard they cry and flame as long as you are thick-skinned and ignore them.

Just do what makes fun as long as you support your team and maybe listen to the constructive folks who just try to help you perform better.

Alrighty then! Yeah I try my best not to suck and will tweak my build if it doesn't work. I know the whole community isn't all tryhards, but they certainly are the most vocal...

[4rcs1ne]

Actual toxicity is actually quite rare in this game. I was verbally harassed and cussed out over VOIP by a popular player we all know who is thankfully banned now (Starts with an S ends with a 5). He is the very definition of toxicity.

However, that was pretty stupid for him to blame you for blocking. It's not like you can just back right up in a 100 tonner. If anything, he was blocking your shot, causing him to be killed. That's completely on him.

I would just block the bad apples and move on. At the end of the day, it's just a game.

Edited by Matt2496, 11 January 2018 - 08:40 AM.

[Bud Crue]

DancingCorpse, on 11 January 2018 - 08:29 AM, said:

Ever played World of Tanks? People are so set and salty about stats they have made entire programs and websites just for looking up peoples stats with the intent to insult and belittle them in game. Whole mods for you to see every ones stats right next to their name on the score board.

I have no difficulty believing it, because I've seen it......and maybe done it.

Huh. Learn something new everyday. I just figured...since when do trolls or jerks need statistical verification to justify an opinion or a desire to crap on someone.

[Bombast]

A1Ste4kSauce, on 11 January 2018 - 08:25 AM, said:

So I can't have fun in mechs that I like? We all have to be meta?

'Meta' and 'Atlas' haven't gone together in ages.

Generally, in QP, no - You don't have to bring maximum meta to carry your weight or participate. But this is a team game - For better or worse, 11 other people are shackled to you. They'd appreciate it if you at least try. In an Atlas, that means getting to the front as soon as possible and getting in the fight as quickly as you are able to (Safety, anyway).

Which shouldn't be to difficult - By 100 tonner standards, the Atlas is actually pretty quick, thanks to its low hard point count. It's not like an Annihilator, where you have a tonnage shortage - Once you kit out an Atlas, you probably have quite a bit of tonnage left for engine upgrades.

Bud Crue, on 11 January 2018 - 08:20 AM, said:

But no, I have NEVER seen someone take the time during a match to look someone up and teir or stat shame. In fact, I have difficulty even believing it.

I believe someone tried to stat shame him. I doubt they checked first though. I've seen quite a few people 'stat shame' in chat, and its usually them just spitting out generally bad stats that have no relation to reality.

It's weird.

EDIT: I actually have checked out peoples stats mid match (After dying, of course) on several occasions:

1. When people claimed I had a sub-0.7 Win rate/Kill rate, and I was just curious about them, since they felt the need to lie about me
2. When someone blocked the chokepoint on Oasis and refused to move, blocking all 11 other people on our team, I checked them out for reasons I'm not sure off. They had really impressive stats, actually - Top 500 on Jarl's List. I have no idea what in the hell was going on, that made him stroke out that badly on one match
3. A couple of weeks ago, when I first started suspecting the MM had broken/been turned off, I checked stats to see if it was true (It was, I was playing with people who were both bad and had too few games to be in T3, let alone T1)

On all occasions, though, I kept the stats to myself. I may have mentioned it to some Discord pals, but no names.

Edited by Bombast, 11 January 2018 - 08:46 AM.

[B0oN]

MW:O has no skillceiling...only a skill cellar, OP .

Welcome to the game .

[adamts01]

A1Ste4kSauce, on 11 January 2018 - 08:25 AM, said:

So I can't have fun in mechs that I like? We all have to be meta?

No, by all means run what you want, of course, just don't come to the forums and wonder why your team is bitching at you for running a LRM Atlas in a tier 1 game, or whatever oddity you think is fun.

[DancingCorpse]

Bud Crue, on 11 January 2018 - 08:38 AM, said:

Huh. Learn something new everyday. I just figured...since when do trolls or jerks need statistical verification to justify an opinion or a desire to crap on someone.

What's worse is when you're in the the really high rankings (called "Unicum" in World of Tanks) and you try to be the good guy and teach people how to play better in an actually tasteful way, and they ignore you and insult you saying they are perfect and don't need to change, this being caused by the Dunning Kruger effect. Said people are usually the ones that are so bad they statistically make you more likely to lose than if they weren't there at all and you were down a man.

[gooddragon2]

A1Ste4kSauce, on 11 January 2018 - 08:25 AM, said:

So I can't have fun in mechs that I like? We all have to be meta?

If you've ever played an RTS (starcraft 1 for example) do you see players sending their Terran Wraiths far ahead of their battlecruisers? Or do you see them keeping the wraiths near the battlcruisers as they advance to protect them even though the cruisers take a while to get into position and the wraiths are much faster? It's the second one. This is a matter of concentration of fire and moving as a group. When they rushed in and left their assaults behind they goofed. It's tactics 101...