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[Lightfoot]

Shouldn't small MRMs (MRM10) have a shorter recycle? I think the smaller launchers should offer some benefits over the larger ones since they are likely to be used on non-boat builds and that should be encouraged. Less spread, shorter recycle, lower heat are all options.

MRM boats are going to carry the bigger ones and cycle through them if need be. And there will be MRM boats if there is no difference between MRM 30 and MRM 10. Don't you think?

[Gentleman Reaper]

The MRM10 already benefits from being more tonnage-efficient than the other launchers barring the MRM40.

MRM10: 3 tons
MRM20: 7 tons (2 MRM10s save a ton)
MRM30: 10 tons (3 MRM10s save a ton)
MRM40: 12 tons (same as 4 MRM10s, 2 MRM20s lose 2 tons)

If anything the MRM20 and 30 should have slightly better base stats than the 10 and 40 to offset this.

[Lightfoot]

Gentleman Reaper, on 04 July 2017 - 03:40 PM, said:

The MRM10 already benefits from being more tonnage-efficient than the other launchers barring the MRM40.

MRM10: 3 tons
MRM20: 7 tons (2 MRM10s save a ton)
MRM30: 10 tons (3 MRM10s save a ton)
MRM40: 12 tons (same as 4 MRM10s, 2 MRM20s lose 2 tons)

If anything the MRM20 and 30 should have slightly better base stats than the 10 and 40 to offset this.

That defies basic missile parameters though. Smaller is always faster. Larger does more damage. More damage has the biggest cost because it is the most powerful upgrade.

[Khobai]

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Smaller is always faster. Larger does more damage

Because generally the smaller launchers are less tonnage efficient than the larger launchers hence why theyre faster to help make up for that tonnage inefficiency

but the MRM10 has the same tonnage efficiency as the MRM40 which is why the cooldown is the same


Regardless MRMs still have a ways to go before theyre viable

1) need shorter volley delay so they stream out faster
2) need max range increased to 540m so they have more of a range advantage over SRMs
3) need velocity increased to 480m/s because if their max range is increased they need to go faster

Edited by Khobai, 04 July 2017 - 10:20 PM.

[Y E O N N E]

Khobai, on 04 July 2017 - 10:18 PM, said:

Because generally the smaller launchers are less tonnage efficient than the larger launchers hence why theyre faster to help make up for that tonnage inefficiency

Every SRM is two tubes per ton (half-ton Clans).
SSRMs are two tubes per 1.5 tons (1 ton Clans).
LRMs start weird, but otherwise you gain 5 tubes every 3 tons (1.5 Clans).

Basically, every missile type has every size launcher being exactly as tonnage efficient as the next with the sole exception of the LRM5. MRMs are special in that they do *not* follow this trend so closely.

Smaller launchers fire faster (and spread less) simply so you have a reason to choose them over otherwise equally tonnage efficient alternatives.

[phoboskomboa]

MRM 10s have a slightly tighter spread than the others and good tonnage efficiency.

MRM 20s can fire up to three (MRM 60) without ghost heat.

MRM 30s can fire up to two (MRM 60) without ghost heat. Less heat efficient, and a looser spread than 3X20, but requires one fewer slot, and one fewer ton.

MRM 40 is exactly the same as 4 MRM 10s with a looser spread, but requiring only one hardpoint.

The ghost heat caps are the reason to use 20s or 30s. Tonnage efficiency is the reason to use 10s or a 40.

All of them have their niche, and are well balanced as is with regards to one another. Now, as to whether they are balanced with regards to other weapons is an open question. I do believe they'll preform better on a 12v12 environment with firing lines and stand-offs at 300-500 meters than they do in testing where everything very quickly breaks down into a brawl.

[LordNothing]

i think the mrm 40 is good for a single rack solution. running 2 is way too hot, in which case use the 30 instead. 10 and 20 are both for multi rack solutions and have a little bit better heat management aspect about them. i like this arrangement, a rack for every job.

1 rack - 40
2 racks - 30
3 racks - 20
4+ racks - 10

Edited by LordNothing, 05 July 2017 - 01:12 AM.

[P10k56]

When I last looked at MRMs stat MRM 40 has longer cooldown then other variants.
Bigger launcher are also more HEAT efficient.

[Marius Evander]

LordNothing, on 05 July 2017 - 01:08 AM, said:

i think the mrm 40 is good for a single rack solution. running 2 is way too hot, in which case use the 30 instead. 10 and 20 are both for multi rack solutions and have a little bit better heat management aspect about them. i like this arrangement, a rack for every job.

1 rack - 40
2 racks - 30
3 racks - 20
4+ racks - 10

do you know how one 40 and one 20 which causes ghost heat compares to 2 30's heat generated

[Lightfoot]

SRM 2: cooldown 2 seconds
SRM 4: cooldown 3 seconds
SRM 6: cooldown 4 seconds

SSRM 2: cooldown 3 seconds
SSRM 4: cooldown 4.5 seconds
SSRM 6: cooldown 6 seconds

LRM 5: cooldown 3.5 seconds
LRM 10: cooldown 4 seconds
LRM 15: cooldown 4.3 seconds
LRM 20: cooldown 4.6 seconds

That is why MRM: 10 needs to have a shorter cooldown than an MRM 20, which is shorter than an MRM 30, which is shorter than an MRM 40.

Otherwise you break the normal missile balances across the mech classes and chassis. There are reasons beyond this that have a major impact on the game. Boating MRM 40's having no drawbacks is one. At least use the LRM cooldown structure. MRMs have similar weight and crit savings per launcher size. MRM 10 are best because they do the least damage per hardpoint. Balance.

[bbihah]

The smaller MRM tubes should definitely have lower cooldown. as right now, with the dps they can put out it is not worth bringing them over just using SRMs, as the added range over SRMs is useless with their spread.

Every 10 tubes of MRM bring a DPS of 2,3 with a wide spread
Every 6 tubes of SRM bring a DPS of 3,2 with a much tighter spread

For MRM 10s this gives a 0,77 dps per ton
while non artemis SRM has a 1,075 dps per ton

If you slap Artemis on it its more similar at 0.8 per ton.
But if you use MRM 20s or 30 the dps per ton is atrocious.

So either tighten up the spread of MRMs or lower the CD so the Dps per ton is that of a non artemis SRM. Since that is what the MRM 10 is. Right now its basically a non artemis SRM 6 with 50% increased range, longer cooldown, lower damage and a spread from hell.

Edited by bbihah, 05 July 2017 - 10:44 AM.

[LordNothing]

Cadoazreal, on 05 July 2017 - 05:08 AM, said:

do you know how one 40 and one 20 which causes ghost heat compares to 2 30's heat generated

obviously mix and match to improve heat, because with skill trees you dont have to boat one size anymore.