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[Dee Eight]

to force an upgrade from playing this game at 39fps to 120fps. Ohhhhh the humanity....but damned is this a long game to install now from fresh. Took nearly 2 hours at a 39Mbps download speed.

[Davegt27]

no kidding I had to do it after the 3rd windows reinstall last week

[Dee Eight]

I know its not the two SATA drives in the previous HP pavilion (as I've connected each in turn to the new Asus Vivo to swap over files to its 1TB drive), and the HP will occasionally boot up still...after it sits for several hours turned off. Its not the memory, nor the video, nor they keyboard or mouse. So I'm down to the CPU (AMD A10-5700), the motherboard and the 300W power supply. Which of the three has nearly packed it in after five years of basically never being turned off. The irony is about six weeks ago I upgraded to an external graphics card (GT 730 w/2 gigs of DDR3) from the built-in Radeon graphics with HALF a gig of video memory along with adding another six gigs of main board DDR3 ram... which itself took me from a teens to mid twenties frame rate to about a dozen fps faster (and even then that was with low settings for everything except effects and textures, and running it windowed at less than the native 1600x900 of the monitor). So even with the better card I still had that damn AMD processor throttling my frame rate. Trouble is the board is an FM2 socket and there just weren't a lot of chips built for that by AMD.

This new system... i7-7700 at 3.6ghz with 12 gigs of DDR4, and a GTX 1050 w/ 2 gigs along with a new 1080p 24" wide Asus gaming monitor with a 75hz refresh rate). The worst part though is having to re-do all my keyboard settings, and resetting fire groups. With everything set to medium to high on the video options, the mechlab is 60fps and i'm now windowed at 1600x900 so i'm adjusting to a wider cockpit FOV. During a polar drop screen on the first game with the new system I briefly saw a 177.4fps. In game it stabilized into the 110-125 range.

I'm gonna get the other system back into stable operation still though. Might as well have a backup. At least I won't be as bad as my dad who has about ten operating computers at any given moment. He's to computers as I am to bikes.

[RestosIII]

Oof. Having to replace parts always sucks, even if things are better afterwards. Had to switch out my motherboard and CPU a while back since they fried each other for no good reason. But I did get a nice 10-15 fps from it before PGI made some maps more cluttered and I lost it again.

Oh, and btw, a PSA to no-one in particular: Never, ever buy cheap PSUs. Having one spark and catch fire for a few seconds in your computer is not a fun scenario.

[chucklesMuch]

Yeah changing mobo's or psu is not on my favourites list. can't remember why I upgraded I think something failed... I needed to upgrade my desktop (about 6ish months ago); new OS, ssd hdd, Ram, wireless adapter, mobo & CPU (CPU was a very old old sandy bridge - lol).

Edit +1 for not cheapsaking on psu... whether sparks or simply not enough or not consistent enough juice is so not worth it!

Edited by chucklesMuch, 08 July 2017 - 02:01 AM.

[Davegt27]

sounds like my lap top turned out it was over heat shut downs

go for the easy fix first that means PS before mother board

[Carl Vickers]

My sig shows my upgraded pc equipment, game runs soo much better, takes 6 seconds to load the OS after I hit the on switch, NVME drives rock.

Edited by Carl Vickers, 08 July 2017 - 02:20 AM.

[LordNothing]

my current quandary is whether to go another year without a new build. this one is getting up in age, turns three in october. motherboard has developed a personality, old psu got replaced with an older psu, and sata ports regularly wiggle themselves free. and we wont speak of the horrible things ive subjected my usb bus to. that said the board uses a socket 1150, and replacements for this mobo are sparse at best. a new mobo isnt so much an upgrade as it is a last ditch attempt to keep my rig alive. that said its very usable, question is will it hold out for another year?

also my cpu is a 4790k and newer chips are only marginally better at best. going all out for a newer i7 would only be like a 10% boost, aside from the fact that it would be grossly out of my budget. gave some thought to a hex core ryzen5, but realized it would be more of a downgrade and price wise id be able to pull it off if i go with a very cheap video card and severely skimp in places i shouldnt, like the psu.

so plan c, which is where im aiming at, is to just apply the universal cure all, a new top notch psu (lol, psu manufacturers are all liers and thieves and buying a psu is like playing russian roulette with your pc). cross my fingers and hope that solves all my problems. and since il have a few hundred left over a new video card as well, like a 1060. again hoping all my other hardware lasts another year. maybe next time amd or intel will have something that blows my current cpu out of the water without busting bank.

Edited by LordNothing, 08 July 2017 - 03:07 AM.

[Dee Eight]

My new box has one spare 3.5" and one 5.25" drive bay free. I was planning on a second HDD in the terrabytes range, 4k UHD video files suck up space in a hurry but a six second boot time for a SSD would be nice compared to the two minutes or so that winblows 10 takes. I suppose I could take advantage of the two USB 3.1 ports and get an external drive for video/photo work.

[HGAK47]

Sounds to me like your old motherboard is suffering similarly to my old one. Most likely the capacitors degrading over time if you havent been able to chalk it up to anything else such as the PSU as that is a common problem usually too.

Just before I got my new setup, I used to no joke heat up the side of my case with a hairdryer to get the damn thing to turn on. Dont even ask but it actually worked for a few weeks until I got my new one. Dangerous im sure but it gave my pc lifesupport for a time.

Now im rolling on a gtx 1070, i7 quad running over 4ghz and life is good. (For a time.....) The good thing is chaps games dont seem to advance like they used to. I remember the early days upgrading a pc every year or two was almost madatory to keep up with modern games. These days not a lot has changed in some years now.

I actually think between MWO and Star Citizen they are they most demanding games I play right now. Other than that everything else is easy mode for my pc.

[LordNothing]

drive bays, lol. there isnt a media format out there that hasnt been pewned by flash. both sd cards and ssds alike. drive bays are just wasted space imho. also with formats like m.2 (depending on type these are faster than sata) which attach directly to your mobo without any stupid cables to gum up the works. sure you might want an optical drive for your old games, and there are better ways to go about that. i virtualized my entire legacy games collection and stuck it on a 1tb drive out on my network. you also have the option to re-download many of them. next rig wont be using drives at all, and i can rotate my old sata ssds to my auxilliary rigs as i replace them with m.2 drives.

[LordNothing]

HGAK47, on 08 July 2017 - 03:27 AM, said:

Sounds to me like your old motherboard is suffering similarly to my old one. Most likely the capacitors degrading over time if you havent been able to chalk it up to anything else such as the PSU as that is a common problem usually too.

Just before I got my new setup, I used to no joke heat up the side of my case with a hairdryer to get the damn thing to turn on. Dont even ask but it actually worked for a few weeks until I got my new one. Dangerous im sure but it gave my pc lifesupport for a time.

Now im rolling on a gtx 1070, i7 quad running over 4ghz and life is good. (For a time.....) The good thing is chaps games dont seem to advance like they used to. I remember the early days upgrading a pc every year or two was almost madatory to keep up with modern games. These days not a lot has changed in some years now.

I actually think between MWO and Star Citizen they are they most demanding games I play right now. Other than that everything else is easy mode for my pc.

modern engines tend to take better advantage of the newer technologies. cryengine should run better than it does but because it was build around technology from 10 years ago its not as efficient as it could be. newer engines are better at using more threads and have better 64 bit support. they support the new instruction set features. they dont depend on so many deprecated features that stability is iffy. where i can play a brand spanking new game at a clean 60fps, this one still dips a lot.

Edited by LordNothing, 08 July 2017 - 03:37 AM.

[HGAK47]

LordNothing, on 08 July 2017 - 03:36 AM, said:

modern engines tend to take better advantage of the newer technologies. cryengine should run better than it does but because it was build around technology from 10 years ago its not as efficient as it could be. newer engines are better at using more threads and have better 64 bit support. they support the new instruction set features. they dont depend on so many deprecated features that stability is iffy. where i can play a brand spanking new game at a clean 60fps, this one still dips a lot.

Precisely my experience. Cry Engine has a lot to answer for.

[Carl Vickers]

Dee Eight, on 08 July 2017 - 03:18 AM, said:

My new box has one spare 3.5" and one 5.25" drive bay free. I was planning on a second HDD in the terrabytes range, 4k UHD video files suck up space in a hurry but a six second boot time for a SSD would be nice compared to the two minutes or so that winblows 10 takes. I suppose I could take advantage of the two USB 3.1 ports and get an external drive for video/photo work.

Im using win10 on the NVMe drive, 1tb platter HDD is from my old pc that I use to house most of my data. The M.2 drive has MWO and win10 on it, every other game I play is on the 1tb drive.

While the NVMe drive is technically a SDD the read/write speeds are very different, your average SSD reads/writes at 500 mbsec, depending on brand, the M.2 I have reads at 3200 mbsec and writes at 1500 mbsec, there is quite a bit of variance in speeds per brand.

There are some M.2 drives that use your pcie slots and some mobo's like mine that have slots on the actual mobo just for m.2. On my mobo despite it having slots set for m.2 it still uses the same bus as the Sata so basically disables (if I was using 2 m.2 drives) 2 of the Sata ports normally used for HDD's.

[Widowmaker1981]

Same thing just happened to me, except it would boot at all - power came on, but bios would never load, and unless both RAM sticks died at the same time it was definitely mobo or CPU. Went from i5 3450 to i7 7700 and from all settings on high at ~50 FPS to all settings on very high at ~100 fps, without changing the GFX card (GTX 970), though i did change the RAM from 16 GB DDR3 to 16 GB DDR4.

expensive damn month though.. went to Norway hiking, came back and PC had died, then went to Glastonbury and came back and my subwoofer on my logitech Z906 blew up. All the dead stuff is 5+ years old though so..

[Carl Vickers]

My reason for upgrading was, the little one is going to school next year so I either do it this year or have to wait a few years and my hardware was already 4-5 years old. Shouldnt have to touch this one now for 4-5 years, maybe more RAM or get a VR kit once they get better.

[Dee Eight]

sometimes my HP would freeze up before the bios, sometimes after the bios, every time it reached the bios it correctly identified all the memory sticks. Many times it would randomly blue screen a whole new error. Either after running ten minutes...or twenty hours. IRQ_NOT-Equals, Mem_management, TCPIP.SYS, NTFS.SYS, and a half dozen others. Never the same error back to back.

[Thorqemada]

Dee Eight, on 07 July 2017 - 11:41 PM, said:

I know its not the two SATA drives in the previous HP pavilion (as I've connected each in turn to the new Asus Vivo to swap over files to its 1TB drive), and the HP will occasionally boot up still...after it sits for several hours turned off. Its not the memory, nor the video, nor they keyboard or mouse. So I'm down to the CPU (AMD A10-5700), the motherboard and the 300W power supply. Which of the three has nearly packed it in after five years of basically never being turned off. The irony is about six weeks ago I upgraded to an external graphics card (GT 730 w/2 gigs of DDR3) from the built-in Radeon graphics with HALF a gig of video memory along with adding another six gigs of main board DDR3 ram... which itself took me from a teens to mid twenties frame rate to about a dozen fps faster (and even then that was with low settings for everything except effects and textures, and running it windowed at less than the native 1600x900 of the monitor). So even with the better card I still had that damn AMD processor throttling my frame rate. Trouble is the board is an FM2 socket and there just weren't a lot of chips built for that by AMD.

This new system... i7-7700 at 3.6ghz with 12 gigs of DDR4, and a GTX 1050 w/ 2 gigs along with a new 1080p 24" wide Asus gaming monitor with a 75hz refresh rate). The worst part though is having to re-do all my keyboard settings, and resetting fire groups. With everything set to medium to high on the video options, the mechlab is 60fps and i'm now windowed at 1600x900 so i'm adjusting to a wider cockpit FOV. During a polar drop screen on the first game with the new system I briefly saw a 177.4fps. In game it stabilized into the 110-125 range.

I'm gonna get the other system back into stable operation still though. Might as well have a backup. At least I won't be as bad as my dad who has about ten operating computers at any given moment. He's to computers as I am to bikes.

You have there a good System but pair it with a rather weak GPU - its soon to be replaced!
Also allways overbuy the PSU as it is the main stabilizing factor to a System that can cover up other hardwareinstabilities on the technical side and usually bigger PSUs run with better efficiency which means cooler, making less noise and saving some bucks from the electricity bill saving you money on the long run - usually buy a high efficiency PSU 50% to 100% bigger then needed!

[Widowmaker1981]

Thorqemada, on 08 July 2017 - 07:27 AM, said:

You have there a good System but pair it with a rather weak GPU - its soon to be replaced!
Also allways overbuy the PSU as it is the main stabilizing factor to a System that can cover up other hardwareinstabilities on the technical side and usually bigger PSUs run with better efficiency which means cooler, making less noise and saving some bucks from the electricity bill saving you money on the long run - usually buy a high efficiency PSU 50% to 100% bigger then needed!

Yeah i run a 750 watt in mine to have plenty of overhead

[MAD-IIC-D]

Few months ago I brought used 5 years old computer for 200 euros. 3.2 GHz quad core Ivy Bridge. I had SSD and gaming graphics card from my old computer. It's a relatively cheap prebuilt Asus, I think as new it was in 600 euro range.

I was somewhat expecting that I might require to change it's PSU, since it's rather weak. 2x12V lines each 13A, with total combined of 215W. Together with 3V and 5V total combined power 286W. If I'd ask, everyone would say it's not possible to run TDP 77W +150W CPU+GPU together with so weak PSU.

But it works so I got no reason to bother about it.


In future you could just copy MWO from old install to new. At most you'd need to fix few registry entries to make the portal work.