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[davoodoo]

Dr Hobo, on 19 July 2017 - 05:52 AM, said:

Wat

It's a rotary cannon,with a high rate of fire,that just dumps heat and ammo,then jams FOREVER. The RAC2 is worthless,and the Rac5 is the only decent one if you have at least 2 to use.

Not like its better if you have more than 2, already hot weapon with ghost heat...

[Dr Hobo]

davoodoo, on 19 July 2017 - 05:53 AM, said:

Not like its better if you have more than 2, already hot weapon with ghost heat...

Nah,you run 2 at a time,run 2 till jam,then swap to other 2. THat's how I've been seeing people do it right now on the ANH and MCMk2

[Gaius Kerensky]

wait what you can put a RAC on a MCMKII ???

[davoodoo]

Dr Hobo, on 19 July 2017 - 05:56 AM, said:

Nah,you run 2 at a time,run 2 till jam,then swap to other 2. THat's how I've been seeing people do it right now on the ANH and MCMk2

clan have no racs... so idk what madcat youve seen.

and excuse if i question effectiveness of that tactic.

[Gasboy]

Oh noes, InnerSphere has some advantages now! What will the Clans do now?

[nehebkau]

Thaidron, on 18 July 2017 - 09:47 PM, said:

Recently, I have seen many advantages in the inner sphere, against the clan, an example of this is C PPC 14.5 heat / 10 dmg, I.S HPPC, 14.5 heat / 15 damage, what's the advantage? I think the ppc should be less heat against heavy ppc should be 11 or 12 heat, because currently it is very unbalanced

Does this guy's posts remind you of Donald Trump's tweets?

[Gaius Kerensky]

and this is the same old song... OMG clans are OP so PGI nerfs the clan equipment and mechs while buffing the Innersphere mechs to the point that community warfare (Faction Warfare) is a joke... with the IS Facerolling the clans at every turn... lets not even get started on the dropdeck imbalance... 240tons for a clan dropdeck vs the 265tons of the Innersphere I have been hearing this song since wave 1 with the IS players complaining that the Clans are OP...

is there a bias toward Innersphere mechs and equipment... you bet your sweet @$$ its been that way since just after Clan Wave 1 and the constant attempts at balance to the point that it is rare to see a clan unit at all in Community/Faction warfare..

its the same old song... and UNTIL PGI gets it right so that both sides are treated equally this will CONTINUE to be the same old song

Edited by Gaius Kerensky, 19 July 2017 - 06:16 AM.

[Gasboy]

Gaius Kerensky, on 19 July 2017 - 06:15 AM, said:

and this is the same old song... OMG clans are OP so PGI nerfs the clan equipment and mechs while buffing the Innersphere mechs to the point that community warfare (Faction Warfare) is a joke... with the IS Facerolling the clans at every turn... lets not even get started on the dropdeck imbalance... 240tons for a clan dropdeck vs the 265tons of the Innersphere I have been hearing this song since wave 1 with the IS players complaining that the Clans are OP...

is there a bias toward Innersphere mechs and equipment... you bet your sweet @$$ its been that way since just after Clan Wave 1 and the constant attempts at balance to the point that it is rare to see a clan unit at all in Community/Faction warfare..

its the same old song... and UNTIL PGI gets it right so that both sides are treated equally this will CONTINUE to be the same old song

Oh, is this why all the best units are Clan and not Innersphere then, because the equipment and weapons are inferior?

[Dr Hobo]

Gasboy, on 19 July 2017 - 06:22 AM, said:

Oh, is this why all the best units are Clan and not Innersphere then, because the equipment and weapons are inferior?

The best units seem to swap back and forth..or at least they did ages ago when Clan warfare was alive lol.

Clans were always superior to the IS,thats why the IS had to play catchup so hard.

[WarHippy]

Dr Hobo, on 18 July 2017 - 09:59 PM, said:

You're comparing two very different PPCs.

Compare the ERPPC vs the CERPPC then come back.

That is a dubious argument at best. Clans only have ERPPCs while IS have the Light/Snub/Heavy/Standard in addition to the ERPPC. The only thing you can compare the heavy PPC to for the Clans is the ERPPC because there isn't anything else that it can be compared to.

That being said the heavy does seem a little too strong with current stats.

[Widowmaker1981]

Dr Hobo, on 19 July 2017 - 05:56 AM, said:

Nah,you run 2 at a time,run 2 till jam,then swap to other 2. THat's how I've been seeing people do it right now on the ANH and MCMk2

Which if you look at the maths and compare it to the competing loadouts of either 6xAC5 or 5xUAC5, that is a totally and completely junk terribad build.

2xRAC5 does ~85 damage over 4 seconds, after a 1 second spin up. Chain the 2nd pair on there perfectly so a total of 9 seconds gets you ~170dmg

UAC5 with cooldown nodes (which do not affect the RAC) gets to ~1.5s CD... so 5xUAC5 build does:

0s 25 dmg
1.5s 50 dmg
3.0s 75 dmg
4.5s 100 dmg
6s 125 dmg
7.5s 150 dmg
9s 175 dmg

And thats without ever double tapping

6xAC5 is 210 dmg in 9 seconds

The RACs require constant staring, have a spin up time, spread damage, are hotter and have shorter range.. for that list of disadvantages they should be doing massively more DPS. not LESS.

Also, by the way, MCMKIIs dont have the option to run RACs.. they are IS only.

Edited by Widowmaker1981, 19 July 2017 - 06:37 AM.

[Zergling]

WarHippy, on 19 July 2017 - 06:33 AM, said:

That is a dubious argument at best. Clans only have ERPPCs while IS have the Light/Snub/Heavy/Standard in addition to the ERPPC. The only thing you can compare the heavy PPC to for the Clans is the ERPPC because there isn't anything else that it can be compared to.

That being said the heavy does seem a little too strong with current stats.

The Heavy PPC is so different to the Clan ER PPC it makes for a poor comparison. The IS ER PPC is much more similar, so is a better comparison.

And no, the Heavy PPC is not 'too strong'. It is honestly barely average.

[Dr Hobo]

Widowmaker1981, on 19 July 2017 - 06:34 AM, said:

Which if you look at the maths and compare it to the competing loadouts of either 6xAC5 or 5xUAC5, that is a totally and completely junk terribad build.

2xRAC5 does ~85 damage over 4 seconds, after a 1 second spin up. Chain the 2nd pair on there perfectly so a total of 9 seconds gets you ~170dmg

UAC5 with cooldown nodes (which do not affect the RAC) gets to ~1.5s CD... so 5xUAC5 build does:

0s 25 dmg
1.5s 50 dmg
3.0s 75 dmg
4.5s 100 dmg
6s 125 dmg
7.5s 150 dmg
9s 175 dmg

And thats without ever double tapping

6xAC5 is 210 dmg in 9 seconds

The RACs require constant staring, have a spin up time, spread damage, are hotter and have shorter range.. for that list of disadvantages they should be doing massively more DPS. not LESS.

Also, by the way, MCMKIIs dont have the option to run RACs.. they are IS only.

Ahh ok,I thought they had a ballistics boat option? I haven't seen one yet.

But yeah,RACs,aren't very good. They don't have much that offers them anything useful,slow shell velocities,long face time,and long unjamming.

[Widowmaker1981]

Dr Hobo, on 19 July 2017 - 06:41 AM, said:

Ahh ok,I thought they had a ballistics boat option? I haven't seen one yet.

But yeah,RACs,aren't very good. They don't have much that offers them anything useful,slow shell velocities,long face time,and long unjamming.

the MCII does have a ballistic boat, yeah (the MCII-B.) It cant run RACs though, because RACs are IS only. Likely you saw it with 4xUAC5 or 2 5s and 2 10s.

Edited by Widowmaker1981, 19 July 2017 - 06:55 AM.

[AppleseeN]

Khobai, on 18 July 2017 - 10:08 PM, said:

Even that comparison favors IS.

ERPPC -> has absurdly faster velocity, shorter cooldown, lower heat, IS mechs have ridiculous PPC quirks (like +30% velocity)

CERPPC -> damn useless splash damage. and 1 ton and 1 crit less.

Somebody didn't managed yet how to deal with IS rubbishwalkers. Meh...

Edited by AppleseeN, 19 July 2017 - 07:07 AM.

[Dutchoper72]

skimmed, but oh man. Its so nice having guns that make clanners salty.

[Dr Hobo]

Widowmaker1981, on 19 July 2017 - 06:55 AM, said:

the MCII does have a ballistic boat, yeah (the MCII-B.) It cant run RACs though, because RACs are IS only. Likely you saw it with 4xUAC5 or 2 5s and 2 10s.

It must have been the 5s because holy hell it melted my Uziel.

[Zergling]

Dr Hobo, on 19 July 2017 - 07:32 AM, said:

It must have been the 5s because holy hell it melted my Uziel.

Uziel is incredibly fragile.

[HGAK47]

lol I too was having fun with the new IS tech.

Then I found 4 x ER Mediums and 2 x Heavy Large on a hunchback IIC. Man that thing if ******* leathal. Absolutely lethal. Easy mode laser beams, pin point, wait for heat to go down bop and done.

Why the flying **** do I bother aiming and leading targets with dakka, exposing for full face time when you can have clan lazorrrs that ****!

[Lucian Nostra]

Zergling, on 18 July 2017 - 11:56 PM, said:

We're talking about a 25-30% advantage in sustained DPS, how that 'not even close' to 26.67% advantage in velocity?

Sure the IS ER PPC will be more accurate at long range, but the Clan ER PPC will be able to make up for that with volume of fire.
And at close range, the IS ER PPC's velocity advantage is irrelevant, while the Clan ER PPC's sustained DPS is still useful.

Not only that, Clan ER PPC builds can drop 5 DHS for a TarComp V, and get practically the same velocity as IS ER PPCs, while still being cooler and having splash damage!






No, it's not 'damn near useless'. The damage it causes adds up, and I've blown the ST of mechs with hits to their arms or legs, along with coring out mechs that were shielding their CT by hitting their ST.

This is the superficial argument, the "I had this time I killed a mech with the splash damage" yeah it happens.. once in a blue moon, for every instance you can find of the splash damage doing something meaningful I guarantee I can find easily 100+ times it didn't do anything but pad numbers

Sustained DPS? How do you figure champ? ooh again because the splash damage pads your numbers = more epeen.

I'd gladly drop the splash from the cerppc and have it go to 11-12 heat. Hell that's a straight nerf coming from you 'No really splash damage is good!" people

Edited by Lucian Nostra, 19 July 2017 - 08:12 AM.