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[Lux Monolithic]

So you get into the match and sucessfully execute perfect tactics to rush the circle and keep the enemy out. You win in roughly 3 minutes. But you get 95k C-Bills with premium time and c-bill boost because the enemy team wouldn't even engage you had it held so well. A perfectly executed play in Domination should net the entire team a good chunk of c-bills. There is no excuse for this oversight. It took longer to get into the game than to win it. You should be compensated for your skill and not have your time wasted.

I mean, they could just keep track of how long each player is in the circle and make that equal C-bill earnings combined with some other stats.

[Athom83]

Or a boost of C-Bills equating to the amount of the time you've held the circle, like conquest does with resources.

[Gasboy]

It's like that in maps with win conditions other than "kill them all". If you rush the objective, and the enemy team lets you get away with it, then you get a quick game and a smaller chunk of change.

There's a reason why the "kill them all" mentality is fairly strong, you get more out of it if you do well.

[mogs01gt]

LMAO, PGI will never get away from kills and damage generating Cbills.

[Mystere]

Gasboy, on 27 July 2017 - 10:21 AM, said:

It's like that in maps with win conditions other than "kill them all". If you rush the objective, and the enemy team lets you get away with it, then you get a quick game and a smaller chunk of change.

There's a reason why the "kill them all" mentality is fairly strong, you get more out of it if you do well.

We used to have better rewards. But, those same "kill them all" [Redacted] incessantly and loudly that rewards for meeting objectives should be massively slashed. Eventually, PGI got weak-kneed and buckled.

Edited by draiocht, 27 July 2017 - 01:53 PM.
inappropriate language, insult

[Akillius]

I agree tracking how long each player is in circle and giving some additional cbill and xp
But to avoid problems this is only if the match is won by capping the circle.

I'd suggest adding a reward for getting into the circle first. Slightly less cbills for 2nd, and less again for 3rd.
It's often lights that enter the circle first and they don't get much out of a match to start with.

[Jman5]

Yeah they need more objective bonuses added to Domination to make it less stupid.

Sitting in the circle preventing the other team from counting down should net you a small bonus every 10 seconds.

Sitting in the circle and causing the clock to count down should net you another small bonus for every second it ticks down.

Shooting an enemy in the circle that stops the clock the should net you a small "deny" bonus.

Taking out the enemy mobile command truck should increase the timer by 30 seconds instead of capping out at 1 minute and reward you for doing so.

Then they need to move the respawn points closer to the circle on some of the maps in Faction Play. (polar highlands)

If they do all this, Domination would be much better. I wouldn't feel like a rube when I am the only one holding the circle for my team, and Faction play games wouldn't get weird when the winning team sprints out of the circle after wave 1 to avoid the game ending so fast.

Edited by Jman5, 27 July 2017 - 10:35 AM.

[Mystere]

Jman5, on 27 July 2017 - 10:31 AM, said:

Yeah they need more objective bonuses added to Domination to make it less stupid.

Sitting in the circle preventing the other team from counting down should net you a small bonus every 10 seconds.

Sitting in the circle and causing the clock to count down should net you another small bonus for every second it ticks down.

Shooting an enemy in the circle that stops the clock the should net you a small "deny" bonus.

Taking out the enemy mobile command truck should increase the timer by 30 seconds instead of capping out at 1 minute and reward you for doing so.

Shooting the enemy in the circle should not cause the clock to stop. Only also being inside it should.

If you want the enemy to get out of the circle, you have to drive them out.

Edited by Mystere, 27 July 2017 - 10:35 AM.

[Jman5]

Mystere, on 27 July 2017 - 10:34 AM, said:

Shooting the enemy in the circle should not cause the clock to stop. Only also being inside it should.

If you want the enemy to get out of the circle, you have to drive them out.

I don't mind it. At best it's a delay action. I've never seen a team able to successfully keep the clock from counting down for long without being in the circle.

[Sunstruck]

Ya if anything the rewards should be similar to conquest at least.

[Coolant]

It's why I currently only really like Skirmish because it's mechwarrior. All other game modes you can win apart from actual combat in theory.

PGI please make a game mode like Team Battle in MW4:Mercs. Strictly combat with no extra side quests and highest cumulative team score wins with a point multiplier (damage x tonnage multiplier) for each mech.

Edited by Coolant, 27 July 2017 - 11:37 AM.

[DaMuchi]

I don't really mind less cbills because the match ends quickly anyway. What really grinds my gears is that everyone would have a low score which just brings down my average score. Now that pissed me off.

[Mystere]

DaMuchi, on 27 July 2017 - 12:12 PM, said:

I don't really mind less cbills because the match ends quickly anyway. What really grinds my gears is that everyone would have a low score which just brings down my average score. Now that pissed me off.

Now imagine if payouts were only given during wins.

Edited by Mystere, 27 July 2017 - 01:00 PM.

[Methanoid]

Domination isnt the only weird gamemode for scoring, ive played Conquest and rushed/captured many capture points only to score pathetically at the end because id managed to somehow largely avoid enemy fire/conflict so had 0 damage but capped 6-7ish points and winning with say 3-4 mechs alive with the enemy outnumbering us bigtime, so we pretty much got slaughtered combat wise but all of us lights went for objective completion and we won only to score f*** all.

Same for assault, cap the base at great peril under fire etc and at the end ul probably score all of not a lot, thats why ppl just treat assault or idd everything like skirmish.

[DaMuchi]

Methanoid, on 27 July 2017 - 12:29 PM, said:

Domination isnt the only weird gamemode for scoring, ive played Conquest and rushed/captured many capture points only to score pathetically at the end because id managed to somehow largely avoid enemy fire/conflict so had 0 damage but capped 6-7ish points and winning with say 3-4 mechs alive with the enemy outnumbering us bigtime, so we pretty much got slaughtered combat wise but all of us lights went for objective completion and we won only to score f*** all.

Same for assault, cap the base at great peril under fire etc and at the end ul probably score all of not a lot, thats why ppl just treat assault or idd everything like skirmish.

Your team did very well fighting the enemy outnumbered if "all lights" avoided fighting. It isn't just about objectives, fighting is still important in winning the game.

[Methanoid]

DaMuchi, on 27 July 2017 - 12:35 PM, said:

Your team did very well fighting the enemy outnumbered if "all lights" avoided fighting. It isn't just about objectives, fighting is still important in winning the game.

probably ended up that the remaining enemy were slow and our lights were just running in circles taking the capture points while evading them, this was on grim plexus.

[Paigan]

Illuminous Owl, on 27 July 2017 - 10:18 AM, said:

So you get into the match and sucessfully execute perfect tactics to rush the circle and keep the enemy out. You win in roughly 3 minutes. But you get 95k C-Bills with premium time and c-bill boost because the enemy team wouldn't even engage you had it held so well. A perfectly executed play in Domination should net the entire team a good chunk of c-bills. There is no excuse for this oversight. It took longer to get into the game than to win it. You should be compensated for your skill and not have your time wasted.

I mean, they could just keep track of how long each player is in the circle and make that equal C-bill earnings combined with some other stats.

There's a lot of such problems.
In fact, more less every performance except damage is not rated or underrated.

For example: killing a fresh Mech with a perfect headshot yields a joke score, while uselessly spraying 500 damage over all components of all enemies yields quite a lot.
Or shooting down UAVs, keeping an enemy from shooting (suppressive fire and yes, it could be measured), flanking, tanking damage, etc.

The current simplistic reward systems punishes efficiency and rewards stupidity.

[5th Fedcom Rat]

Domination is my least favourite game mode. In part because it seems popular for some reason so I'm forced to play it a lot. In theory the circle should force both sides into a quick decisive fight. In practice, domination matches are long, drawn out, boring affairs of standing in the circle waiting for something to happen beyond the usual poking. Capping in conquest seem exciting by comparison.

And in solo que Domination, you're inevitably the one who ends up having to stay in the circle while half your teammates run willy nilly chasing some squirrel and the other half are perched far outside the circle trying to snipe. Then you get surrounded and overrun by 5 enemies.

So yeah, that's why I hate domination. It reduces the tactical and geographic diversity of the maps and actually increases perceived match length and boredom.

Edited by 5th Fedcom Rat, 27 July 2017 - 03:51 PM.

[Mystere]

Paigan, on 27 July 2017 - 03:26 PM, said:

There's a lot of such problems.
In fact, more less every performance except damage is not rated or underrated.

For example: killing a fresh Mech with a perfect headshot yields a joke score, while uselessly spraying 500 damage over all components of all enemies yields quite a lot.
Or shooting down UAVs, keeping an enemy from shooting (suppressive fire and yes, it could be measured), flanking, tanking damage, etc.

The current simplistic reward systems punishes efficiency and rewards stupidity.

That is why only wins should be rewarded.

5th Fedcom Rat, on 27 July 2017 - 03:47 PM, said:

And in solo que Domination, you're inevitably the one who ends up having to stay in the circle while half your teammates run willy nilly chasing some squirrel and the other half are perched far outside the circle trying to snipe. Then you get surrounded and overrun by 5 enemies.

I've decided that I will abandon the circle unless two or more fatties enter as well. If we lose via the countdown it's the fatties fault and I let them know about it. <shrugs>

Edited by Mystere, 27 July 2017 - 04:19 PM.

[Asym]

Methanoid, on 27 July 2017 - 12:29 PM, said:

Domination isnt the only weird gamemode for scoring, ive played Conquest and rushed/captured many capture points only to score pathetically at the end because id managed to somehow largely avoid enemy fire/conflict so had 0 damage but capped 6-7ish points and winning with say 3-4 mechs alive with the enemy outnumbering us bigtime, so we pretty much got slaughtered combat wise but all of us lights went for objective completion and we won only to score f*** all.

Same for assault, cap the base at great peril under fire etc and at the end ul probably score all of not a lot, thats why ppl just treat assault or idd everything like skirmish.

Just finished a Faction War conquest, with one kill and 1 assist with only 1 ACH capping 9 points......... 30 minutes of running around for 95K................and, you think Dommination is bad............use an ACH and cap point for almost nothing...