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[Khobai]

put on your bigboy pants and deal with it.

people are ******** in every online game.

[DAYLEET]

It's fine to bark at people, it's how they remember and learn and also how you can motivate them to get better. Dont insult them though because then the motivational part goes out the window and your good advice are likely out the window too. The better ones will put their ego on the side and get bet

The MatchMaker has been terrible for a long time now and that make small things look much worse. I dont ask much from my teammates but to try. Genuine insane move that belong down in t5 are not common. But if luck put them all in my team in the same night then im more likely to lose my sanity. Hearing someone call something really dumb move can make a few guys blow a fuse. Not everyone who blow a fuse is right obviously so just try and be honest with yourself and take the hint when it's legit or dismiss the little ****.

The good part is im getting more zen everyday at turning around to look at my teammates, who separated in too many group to fit the map. Its best to say [Redacted] and hope for a quick next round. In a game with one life, you can [Redacted], you can be genuine bad at doing whatever is required of you(i dont care) BUT you cant be wilfully incompetent and drag 11 other guys with you. You have to try, you have put your ego on the side and learn some basic things. Then you make it work your own way to be comfortable with it.

Khobai, on 09 August 2017 - 04:03 PM, said:

people are ******** in every online game.

and from personal experience it's a lot better in MWO than in other game. The difference is in other game its mostly just **** talk and trolling. In MWO if you want to help someone you have to first point out his failure and then it's not funny anymore and its all serious n **** with the feelings etc. And when someone who really has no business telling others how to play and start ******** on his team then everyone's pissed off.

Edited by draiocht, 10 August 2017 - 12:19 PM.
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[Alexander of Macedon]

See, being a snarky forum-warrior isn't really any better than people who incessantly ***** in voip. All you're doing is channeling your ******** through a different venue.

[Baba Yogi]

Just today i had a match which reminded me of matches i had in my T4 alt account i made a year ago for fun. It was in Frozen city, and our team was literally spread out to entire map somehow. I had to bail my teams assault because we 2 were going to be able to stop 4 man enemy push, and while our lights and mediums were trying to 1v1 enemies on the far side and the rest was sprinkled all over the map god knows doing what. I mean there some matches where my mind just boggles at how little my team knows how to play. It really was like a T4 match, where a match generally is 12 1v1 duels going on all over the map. I should not see that little of teamwork in T1. Not after like 5 years.

Edited by Lordhammer, 09 August 2017 - 04:08 PM.

[Lord0fHats]

Personally I love how teams still walk into death valley. I mean it's called death valley and has been almost since Tourmaline hit. Doesn't stop teams from marching into it like lemmings.

[Alexander of Macedon]

Lord0fHats, on 09 August 2017 - 04:11 PM, said:

Personally I love how teams still walk into death valley. I mean it's called death valley and has been almost since Tourmaline hit. Doesn't stop teams from marching into it like lemmings.

It's because they have vague recollections of matches where a competent dropcaller led them to push up the far slope and across into the opposite spawn area, which can actually work quite well since you've got plenty of high ground, cover, and multiple angles to approach the center of the map where the other team will be loitering.

Only problem is, if it's just a bunch of taters nascaring around they all get scared and hide in the valley, poking up over the rim to get blasted one at a time.

[Lyoto Machida]

Admiral Piet, on 09 August 2017 - 02:16 PM, said:

Hello everyone, Admiral Piet here!

This is my second forum post & I would like to start by saying hello to the community, I am a big fan of all things mechwarrior/battletech.

That said, there seems to be a lot of negative and verbally abusive players lately who will constantly complain about the actions of their team mates while insulting them & offering no solutions to the issues they are complaining about. I get that you want support from your teammates and it is frustrating in a team game such as this when you are completely left out to hang. But, perhaps instead of berating your team mates you should ask them politely to push a point on the grid, or pick up a powercell, or whatever it is you think they should be doing. A lot of the time I just announce when and where I am pushing & give no instructions to anyone and simply trust that by communicating my own intent my team can better coordinate with me.
This negativity is hard for me to swallow, I play MWO in my spare time for fun, & my own life is not always sunshine & roses believe me, but I do not take it out on the rest of you. I say o7, GLHF, and GG at the end even when I lose.... If you are a constant whiner & are verbally abusive, expect me to disconnect and find a new team to drop with.

No apologies, life is too short to let you ruin my MWO experience.
Sincerely, Admiral Piet

Edit: As has been pointed out I should have utilized the mute and the report features instead of disconnecting. I am sorry if I have disconnected on you in a match, I have only done it 2-3 times ever, but it is not much of a valid solution and I should not have resorted to it.

PS: i searched for related topics before posting and was unable to find any except a thread from October 2015, so I felt a new thread was justified.

Just part of being on the internet in general, I suppose. Go check out YouTube comments if you don't believe me haha. Just mute the offenders and go about your business.

Asym, on 09 August 2017 - 03:26 PM, said:

There have been times I "just decided to go sight seeing" on a map because the situation between players was so out of control....

I have just recently started writting and reading the forum as well. Many of the posts I've written deal in and with the results of this issue and how it affects new players and retention of newer players.

I play a lot less now. The team I belong to is playing far less now... The "regular" players I've seen for months during the daytime NA hours are playing less now.

Is negativity a cause? Is the situation hopelsss? For me, I can do "other things" and eventually, this system will either get better or self destruct. I'm waiting to see..........

Good post.

When did you start playing? February 2017? People/units come and go and this game's community is relatively tame in terms of online gaming, due to the older average age.

I'd avoid any FPS games if you think this community is bad...or any online interactions in general.

[Sjorpha]

I hate people who complain on comms, so incredibly useless. Yeah I mute them but I hate them anyways.

I understand why you might have to vent, I don't understand why anyone has to hear you do it.

[irRational Agent]

[Redacted]
FOR THE RECORD I AM NOT NAMING AND SHAMING, IT DOES NOT BOTHER ME, BUT DO NOT TELL THE OP THAT MWO IS ALWAYS GREAT COMPAIRED TO OTHER ONLINE GAMES AND THAT IT DOES NOT HAVE SOME ISSUES.

Edited by draiocht, 10 August 2017 - 07:33 AM.
name & shame, unconstructive, encouragement of griefing, inappropriate language, replies removed

[poltergoost]

Hearing 'use your strikes you [Redacted] noob/moron/whatever' over and over again at the end of a match is getting pretty boring.

PGI really need to fix that bug where your strikes look unused when being spectated.

Edited by draiocht, 10 August 2017 - 09:48 AM.
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[LowSubmarino]

Matt2496, on 09 August 2017 - 02:37 PM, said:

While I do agree that constant negativity should not happen, if one has had a string of horrible teams (or ROFL stomps) where half of them can't break 100 damage and you're constantly doing >400, it can get extremely frustrating and cause understandably negative behaviors.

But yeah, just mute the consistently sour grapes.

Problem is the abysmal macht maker in mechwarrior online. Really bad ppl and players that have played forever are put in the same teams. The automatic consequence is that ppl are frustrated either because they get owned so hard without ever accomplishing anything cause they are new players or just not very good or they are frustrated cause they see their team melt around them like butter in the sun. Just crumbling because of ulra bad positioning, nascaring, clustering and so on.

Theres not enough players in mwo to have real tiers and thus you will have a lot of complaining in the forum and ingame.

If mwo was better more ppl would play (example: abysmal completly unfun FP) and the matches would be better

[Weeny Machine]

Admiral Piet, on 09 August 2017 - 02:16 PM, said:

Hello everyone, Admiral Piet here!

This is my second forum post & I would like to start by saying hello to the community, I am a big fan of all things mechwarrior/battletech.

That said, there seems to be a lot of negative and verbally abusive players lately who will constantly complain about the actions of their team mates while insulting them & offering no solutions to the issues they are complaining about. I get that you want support from your teammates and it is frustrating in a team game such as this when you are completely left out to hang. But, perhaps instead of berating your team mates you should ask them politely to push a point on the grid, or pick up a powercell, or whatever it is you think they should be doing. A lot of the time I just announce when and where I am pushing & give no instructions to anyone and simply trust that by communicating my own intent my team can better coordinate with me.
This negativity is hard for me to swallow, I play MWO in my spare time for fun, & my own life is not always sunshine & roses believe me, but I do not take it out on the rest of you. I say o7, GLHF, and GG at the end even when I lose.... If you are a constant whiner & are verbally abusive, expect me to disconnect and find a new team to drop with.

No apologies, life is too short to let you ruin my MWO experience.
Sincerely, Admiral Piet

Edit: As has been pointed out I should have utilized the mute and the report features instead of disconnecting. I am sorry if I have disconnected on you in a match, I have only done it 2-3 times ever, but it is not much of a valid solution and I should not have resorted to it.

PS: i searched for related topics before posting and was unable to find any except a thread from October 2015, so I felt a new thread was justified.

You have to ask yourself why they act that way. Look, most of these players want just what you want: to have a good gaming experience. Have you ever wondered that maybe the players you "protect" are the ones who agitate those people and ruin their experience?

Here some examples just from yesterday where I logged out disgustedly:

1. UAVs...I mean why shoot them down? I wasn't able to because I was standing directly below them and I told the team repeatedly to shoot them down. The end? The whole team was lurmed to death

2. Cooperating...I mean why tell the team that 5 mechs are converging on our flank (the team camped). I told them like 4 times. Then I tried to slow the flankers down...still no help. I tried to run and died. The team still didn't move despite being not even 1 grid away. The end came when those 5 mechs annihilated the back of the team

3. Positioning...yeah, why not "scout" mining on the left side where in 90% of all matches the whole enemy team is and where even a fast mech has a hard time to disengage but I am sure your assault mech is capable to do it (and many from the team are telling him NOT to do it) or why not take just 1 peek knowing that on the other side of the ridge 8 enemy mechs sit just waiting for your curious nose to show up. The alternative: camping like a pro. Just move to the building in Plexus and never ever move. NEVER.


The point is: there are things which shouldn't happen anymore when you are T1-2. Sure, everyone screws up now and then, however, the regularity of having 4-6 mechs below 200, heck, sometimes even 100 damage is just appaling (and I am talking of heavy and assault mechs which translates into 1-2 alphas being shot by them). And these things happen because people have zero interest in cooperating, listening or just using common sense. Thanks to the glorious experience bar that the PSR is, you have these heroes now in the upper tiers.

Personally I see why people go nuts over this now and then. Yes, I have my weak moments as well.

Edited by Bush Hopper, 10 August 2017 - 01:12 AM.

[Mechfan909]

You are lucky to be in this game considering that many (especially MOBA games) have toxic communities. In comparing this game to other online games i have played, i rate this to having one of the friendliest communities once you have opened up and requested for help. Sure there are some salt piles and dumpster fires raging in some battles but in most cases people sometimes proactively help you in giving you tips and hints and strategies in playing the game very well. If you do have a bad day, the mute button is your friend.

[Vellron2005]

Admiral Piet, on 09 August 2017 - 02:16 PM, said:

Hello everyone, Admiral Piet here!

This is my second forum post & I would like to start by saying hello to the community, I am a big fan of all things mechwarrior/battletech.

That said, there seems to be a lot of negative and verbally abusive players lately who will constantly complain about the actions of their team mates while insulting them & offering no solutions to the issues they are complaining about. I get that you want support from your teammates and it is frustrating in a team game such as this when you are completely left out to hang. But, perhaps instead of berating your team mates you should ask them politely to push a point on the grid, or pick up a powercell, or whatever it is you think they should be doing. A lot of the time I just announce when and where I am pushing & give no instructions to anyone and simply trust that by communicating my own intent my team can better coordinate with me.
This negativity is hard for me to swallow, I play MWO in my spare time for fun, & my own life is not always sunshine & roses believe me, but I do not take it out on the rest of you. I say o7, GLHF, and GG at the end even when I lose.... If you are a constant whiner & are verbally abusive, expect me to disconnect and find a new team to drop with.

No apologies, life is too short to let you ruin my MWO experience.
Sincerely, Admiral Piet

Edit: As has been pointed out I should have utilized the mute and the report features instead of disconnecting. I am sorry if I have disconnected on you in a match, I have only done it 2-3 times ever, but it is not much of a valid solution and I should not have resorted to it.

PS: i searched for related topics before posting and was unable to find any except a thread from October 2015, so I felt a new thread was justified.

(heavy breathing) Disconnects do not concern me Admiral..

Seriously though.. Yeah, this game is becoming a bonified salt mine.. And not only that, but you can pick your flavor of salt..

You got your LRM haters, your Bittervets, your Tryhard Elitists, your "no more cash from me" crew, and let's not forget the general [Redacted] gang.

The game has one of the most toxic communities you will ever find..

And then again, there are those shining few that are so awesome that they make the game more fun if you play with them.. People like Heaven Kendrick, WarWingSW, and a few others..

They are truly rare gems though..

If you ever run out of salt, just play a no-backup lasers LRM boat in Tier1 and you will get half the team spewing enough salt to make your own little in-land sea.

The way I deal with it?

I just mute them, take a screen shot to send to the mwo support staff, and then, naturally, use the in-game report system.

Edited by draiocht, 10 August 2017 - 09:53 AM.
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[Bud Crue]

I swear everytime one of these threads comes up I wonder what game I am playing because it isn't the one the OP is playing.

In about three years I have experienced active trolling (verbal or active TKer) of someone in game five times (and of that only twice was it against me). I have heard some schmuck do the whole 'says nothing until he dies and then berates the remaining team nonstop for not having a plan/winning/supporting/, etc.' maybe a dozen times. And experienced the 'look at me, I am provocatively offensive, oh aren't I clever' thing maybe six times (I don't count NKVA CW matches from back in the day, cuz those while occasionally offensive were god damn funny).

I just don't see the "toxic" or even merely hostile aspect of the community as being remotely the norm, but rather incredibly rare. MWO has a great community.

[Lord0fHats]

I think it'll depend on how you define toxic. I don't consider lamenting that your team nascared itself to death to be very abusive. Going off on someone like "you suck/wtf are you doing/scrub/" is pretty toxic.

For me at least there's a sort of gray area though where [Redacted]

Edited by draiocht, 10 August 2017 - 10:41 AM.
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[STEF_]

Vellron2005, on 10 August 2017 - 03:52 AM, said:

The game has one of the most toxic communities you will ever find..

This is a complete lie.

[Weeny Machine]

Stefka Kerensky, on 10 August 2017 - 04:11 AM, said:

This is a complete lie.

You don't know what he pulls off. Maybe people are flaming him nonstop...

[Erufen]

Bush Hopper, on 10 August 2017 - 04:25 AM, said:

You don't know what he pulls off. Maybe people are flaming him nonstop...

Haha.

I doubt that's the case. From what he wrote, I guess he just doesn't like it when people bicker over VoIP. Which I find extremely funny, but w/e.

[Wil McCullough]

people have differing thresholds of what constitutes toxic and what doesn't.

i've blown my top at guys who did utterly potato things like walking into me backing off from a storm of fire and CONTINUING to walk forward, leaving me to die (and then he followed me into oblivion seconds later).

i've also been on the receiving end of salt because i called that the enemy team was pushing our left and we should set up a line to receive them. "who died and made you leader?" was what i got in return. the team proceeded to nascar and we lost.

maybe that's why i generally have a pretty high threshold for "toxicity" though. personally, if a drop caller yells to "**** IT, PUSH PUSH TAKE E8 NOW. GO!", i'm perfectly fine. some more delicate people react badly to raised volume of any kind though, and i'm perfectly fine with that too.

there are two kinds of people and all that.

so far, in 2 years of playing, i can count on one hand the number of times voip or chat abuse got out of hand. that's pretty damn good. you get that in as many matches in games like dota or lol. so i'm with bud crue on this one.

Edited by Wil McCullough, 10 August 2017 - 05:25 AM.