19 replies to this topic

[An Innocent Urbie]

please make sure you can aim! else those 80-100 Ton of Armor are just bullet sponge

Edited by An Innocent Urbie, 19 August 2017 - 08:48 AM.

[El Bandito]

But Awesome is 80 tons.

[HGAK47]

Dat deadzone doe.

[An Innocent Urbie]

El Bandito, on 19 August 2017 - 07:28 AM, said:

But Awesome is 80 tons.

edited


also zooming while your enemy is at 200-300m greatly decreases your chance of hitting your enemy

[GrimRiver]

Full PPC boat builds are fundamentally bad in every regard.

All it takes is 1 light to get within your deadzone and then it's over.

Same with full LRM boat builds.

Boating only 1 type weapon with a deadzone is just bad.

FYI I'm talking about deadzone only weapons.
(it's sad that I have to point something like that out these days)

If they are boating only deadzone weapons then chances are their aim is potatoes.

[Angel of Annihilation]

Depends on the mech on if it is going to bad or not. Quad ER PPC Warhawk is actually one of the better builds for that mech and you can absolutely put out competitive damage and kills/KMDD with it. However the OP does have one thing right, the pilot has to be able to aim and manage his heat effectively so it is more of a skill build than anything else.

[Marquis De Lafayette]

Viktor Drake, on 19 August 2017 - 01:55 PM, said:

Depends on the mech on if it is going to bad or not. Quad ER PPC Warhawk is actually one of the better builds for that mech and you can absolutely put out competitive damage and kills/KMDD with it. However the OP does have one thing right, the pilot has to be able to aim and manage his heat effectively so it is more of a skill build than anything else.

I might be wrong....but I think op is talking about IS ppc's....with the minimum range issue. Erppc's for both sides don't have that issue

[JediPanther]

I'd like most ppcs if they didn't have the 90m min range and if I could aim them. I'm one of those that can't hit a stationary awe at 91m with ppc/er/hvy ppcs. The snub nose I can hit some thing with when I shove it in a light and light bomb with it. I'd much rather use any laser over ppc with my aim.

Strangely I find a snub ppc and 2 er smls on the tdk increasingly fun even though I am reducing my combat ability.

[An Innocent Urbie]

Marquis De Lafayette, on 19 August 2017 - 05:15 PM, said:

I might be wrong....but I think op is talking about IS ppc's....with the minimum range issue. Erppc's for both sides don't have that issue

ER PPCs too, the main problem is not really the deadzone but the aiming, I have watched some heavy/assault who could not even hit a slow moving heavy/assault and ended up overheating and shutting down.

if you are practicing to be good at aiming then fine but don't boat PPC/ERPPC make sure you have other weapons for support

Edited by An Innocent Urbie, 19 August 2017 - 10:41 PM.

[Cato Phoenix]

GrimRiver, on 19 August 2017 - 09:01 AM, said:

Full PPC boat builds are fundamentally bad in every regard.

All it takes is 1 light to get within your deadzone and then it's over.

Regular IS PPCs, maybe.

When lights roll up solo on my ERPPC Warhawk, they don't really like getting hammered with 60 damage up front and smacked on their legs.

[Dee Eight]

I'd be happier if assault pilots didn't chase squirrels without the weapons to actually hit them. 100 tons is wasted on a raven unless you're packing quad LB10s or streak boating it with an LB20. If you cannot actually make the legs or the entire torso vanish in one alpha strike... your effort is better directed to something slower.

[Angel of Annihilation]

An Innocent Urbie, on 19 August 2017 - 10:40 PM, said:

ER PPCs too, the main problem is not really the deadzone but the aiming, I have watched some heavy/assault who could not even hit a slow moving heavy/assault and ended up overheating and shutting down.

if you are practicing to be good at aiming then fine but don't boat PPC/ERPPC make sure you have other weapons for support

Got to start somewhere though. Only way to get good it is to practice.

[An Innocent Urbie]

Viktor Drake, on 19 August 2017 - 11:21 PM, said:

Got to start somewhere though. Only way to get good it is to practice.

yes that is right the best way to practice is during a game, but as I said at least have some other group of weapons so you can deal damage if you miss the shot with your (ER)PPCs

[LowSubmarino]

Id never take ppcs. Tried around a bit a few times but the disadvantages of those weapons being completly useless at very close range is so ginormous that id simply never use them. Mechs will get in your face. Lost count how often i was able to win with two cerppcs vs damaged mechs at those ranges. Specially lights.

For such a major downside theyd have to be 1 ton per ppc and generate cooling (negative heat) each time I fire them. Otherwise....why would i use a hilariously broken weapon system.

[LowSubmarino]

Id never take ppcs. Tried around a bit a few times but the disadvantages of those weapons being completly useless at very close range is so ginormous that id simply never use them. Mechs will get in your face. Lost count how often i was able to win with two cerppcs vs damaged mechs at those ranges. Specially lights.

For such a major downside theyd have to be 1 ton per ppc and generate cooling (negative heat) each time I fire them. Otherwise....why would i use a hilariously broken weapon system.

[GA1NAX]

GrimRiver, on 19 August 2017 - 09:01 AM, said:

Full PPC boat builds are fundamentally bad in every regard.

All it takes is 1 light to get within your deadzone and then it's over.

Same with full LRM boat builds.

Boating only 1 type weapon with a deadzone is just bad.

FYI I'm talking about deadzone only weapons.
(it's sad that I have to point something like that out these days)

If they are boating only deadzone weapons then chances are their aim is potatoes.

Well if you boat HPPC's not that bad, but better go for "Juggernaut" build 2xHPPC+2 or 3xLPL. Brawlin'a "Jugger" is a bad idea even if you are fast light.

[Jun Watarase]

4x ER PPC warhawks are terrible, unless you are in FP and poking on terrible maps like alpine peaks or polar highlands.

In the average QP match, sure, you do 40 damage to one location, then the enemy starts hammering you at close range and now you are too hot to fight back. Not exactly hard to use cover to get within 300m on most QP maps. You have low slung weapon mounts to boot, nor do you have massive agility quirks for firing around corners like some IS mechs do.

[Alex Morgaine]

Cicada + 8jj + 4lppc is fun

[BourbonFaucet]

An Innocent Urbie, on 19 August 2017 - 06:14 AM, said:

please make sure you can aim! else those 80-100 Ton of Armor are just bullet sponge

A PPC boat sharing their armor pool!? Hahaha, that's a good one m8.

Edited by Techorse, 20 August 2017 - 10:15 AM.

[Dread Render]

maybe everyone should just use long range weapons...
cause that's the meta
we need a plain flat map where we can all just shoot each other from a distance like the battles in the Napoleon era.