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[Gaden Phoenix]

Hi All,

Looking to get a Hero IS Assault.

Which is the better one? Especially if I prefer (in order), Lasers, Ballistics. And if I HATE missiles.

Looking at:
~ King Crab
~ Cyclops
~ Mauler

Which is the overall better hero assault for IS? Already have the battlemaster.

Thanks and Regards.

[JediPanther]

Of the ones you listed I have the kgc. It's slow and tanky. Able to dual guass or ac 20 but the 20s must be chain fired or you get massive heat. Give it sensor investment for seismic sensors to tell when you have a light coming up behind you and use a uav as an anti ecm/ distress beacon.

Mix in some ll or er lls for long range poking. When the lights get thick you can mount the is streak missiles since they lock on and track. Lights avoid mechs with streaks.

No idea about the other two except the cockpit of the cyclops very much reminds me of the old tie fighter games.

[The6thMessenger]

Gaden Phoenix, on 18 August 2017 - 11:04 PM, said:

Hi All,

Looking to get a Hero IS Assault.

Which is the better one? Especially if I prefer (in order), Lasers, Ballistics. And if I HATE missiles.

Looking at:
~ King Crab
~ Cyclops
~ Mauler

Which is the overall better hero assault for IS? Already have the battlemaster.

Thanks and Regards.

My money is actually on Seipnir. It i would say a more nimble mauler for dakka -- larger torso turn angle, better torso turn rate. I mean honestly it's not even contest against the Mauler.

Kaiju sounds awesome, but really it's strange to build even as a King Crab aficionado. I have one.

It's not a good brawler due to low missile count, still goes pretty hot with energy weapons and not a good mix with brawlers, not as good as ballistic platform due to low hardpoint count and ability to put multiple UAC10s or AC20s, nor SRM platform unless you're mounting dual LRM20As which you shouldn't do.

To be fair though, the high mounted ballistic is nice but other than that, it's not as powerful due to low amount. Really, the Kaiju is just for the sake of being different, and novelty, it's not i would recommend if you're looking for performance. You can do different things, but whether they work -- you have to make them work.

Ballistics is actually better on torso, unless you're planning on torso energy heavy on the Mauler, in which case a battle-master would actually work better. So i wouldn't put my money on Knockout.

JediPanther, on 18 August 2017 - 11:12 PM, said:

Of the ones you listed I have the kgc. It's slow and tanky. Able to dual guass or ac 20 but the 20s must be chain fired or you get massive heat. Give it sensor investment for seismic sensors to tell when you have a light coming up behind you and use a uav as an anti ecm/ distress beacon.

He said Hero IS. So he must've been talking about Kaiju, which you can't mount two AC20s.

Edited by The6thMessenger, 18 August 2017 - 11:24 PM.

[kapusta11]

I'd go with Sleipnir.

[LordNothing]

the cyclops is pretty good. been using it in my fp deck ever since i got it. but its laser complement isnt that great. its more of a ballistics boat imho.

Edited by LordNothing, 18 August 2017 - 11:40 PM.

[Bohxim]

Pretty sure the hero kgc can only go double lbx10 due to both ballistics being in the same spot.
Of the 3 mentioned, prob the only one worth using is the Sleipnir

[Trollfeed]

Sleipnir is actually good instead of just being a novelty. Probably only platform that can run dual heavy gauss effectively too.

[Jay Leon Hart]

I would also say the Sleipnir (though I only own it and the Knockout, no Kaiju for me).

4 LB10X or 4 (U)AC5 are my boring, unoriginal loadouts for it. Tried RACs, wasn't a fan.

I did prefer the Knockout for a short time, when there was no Gauss/PPC ghost heat crossover and I could mount the 'splodey Gauss in the arms. I should probably look at an AC/SRM build for it...

So, go buy that Sleipnir

[JC Daxion]

Well i only have one..assault hero

Misery, I just love it. My old build was 2LL+ac20+2MPL's My new build is UAC20+5ERML+MRM20 It's just gotten better. I run the mech in my FW drop deck. I can pull in 700+ games in it more than any other assault, and the UAC just takes stuff out. IT does run hot though.

It is my best assault, but i play brawler style,. But i tend to play the pushing front line, sacrifice for the team. My best mechs are heavies and mediums.

I have lots of other heroes, but they are mostly lights/meds.. My fav over all is my Jester

[Roadbuster]

JediPanther, on 18 August 2017 - 11:12 PM, said:

Of the ones you listed I have the kgc. It's slow and tanky. Able to dual guass or ac 20 but the 20s must be chain fired or you get massive heat.

I don't think it's possible to press 2 AC20 or Gauss into 1 side torso.
You got the normal KGC.

Can't say much about the KGC hero as I've yet to see one. The main difference to the other variants is the swap of laser and ballistic hardpoints. You get 2 high ballistic hardpoints and 3 energy hardpoints in each arm.
Not sure how good that turns out. I guess it will be pretty hot and the ballistic hardpoints are limited.

The Mauler would make a good brawler with its hardpoints, but the quirks are just bad. No armor, minimal structure, but LRM quirks...

Out of the 3 listed mechs, I think the Sleipnir wins.
Cyclops is a pretty solid mech.

[Gaden Phoenix]

Sleipnir sound good

[El Bandito]

For Hero, Sleipnir is best. In general, Mauler variants are better.

Edited by El Bandito, 19 August 2017 - 01:41 AM.

[The Basilisk]

With lightyears distance to all other IS Assault Heros....the Hellslinger Battlemaster Hero.

6 energy hardpoints, for of them in its shoulders, 3 Rockethardpoints, 50% environmental heat reduction, XL-friendly (even more sturdy with LE) enginerating up to 400 and due to its tonnage quite FP friendly.

[El Bandito]

The Basilisk, on 19 August 2017 - 01:40 AM, said:

With lightyears distance to all other IS Assault Heros....the Hellslinger Battlemaster Hero.

6 energy hardpoints, for of them in its shoulders, 3 Rockethardpoints, 50% environmental heat reduction, XL-friendly (even more sturdy with LE) enginerating up to 400 and due to its tonnage quite FP friendly.

Hellslinger only has 4 high mounted energy. 2 are mounted on the lower arms.

[Snazzy Dragon]

Selepnir if you're looking for an actual mech that performs. If you're looking for something solid but lots of fun, dragon slayer. I wouldn't recommend any others

[BrunoSSace]

Let us know when you need builds for your Sleipnir mines dual lbx 20's 4 medium lasors.

[Y E O N N E]

Mauler with dual Gauss and three ERLL doesn't sound so bad for a stand-off engagement...

[The Lost Boy]

Sleipnir or Misery. The hero mauler isnt bad but regular verions of the mauler are fine also.

[Escef]

El Bandito, on 19 August 2017 - 01:42 AM, said:

Hellslinger only has 4 high mounted energy. 2 are mounted on the lower arms.

That's what he said. He just left the u out of the word four... Or at least, that's what it seems to me.

[LT. HARDCASE]

Slepnir > Hellslinger > Misery > Knockout > Kaiju