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[Relishcakes]

I've been curious as to this and my powers over google seem to be failing me....is there a list someplace of mechs in BT that FASA stole? I'm interested in attempting some model kits or something for my nerd space! Particularly my favorites are the cougar, the adder, the raven, and if possible the atlas.

[Nik Reaper]

Just to check are you an old table top fan , because as far as I know iron wind is a company that makes table top models for the board game, and there are some other plastic minis also for the TT , but if you want something like WH40k minis the only way I know of is to get them SLA 3d printed, you can use MWO's models even.

Edited by Nik Reaper, 22 August 2017 - 06:50 PM.

[Relishcakes]

Nik Reaper, on 22 August 2017 - 06:49 PM, said:

Just to check are you an old table top fan , because as far as I know iron wind is a company that makes table top models for the board game, and there are some other plastic minis also for the TT , but if you want something like WH40k minis the only way I know of is to get them SLA 3d printed, you can use MWO's models even.

never played the TT though I think it'd be neat...all my friends snub tabletop **** cause they're failures so that won't happen.

[AncientRaig]

BT mechs that FASA stole? Are you talking the Unseen here, or are you implying that PGI or Catalyst created BT? Because both assertions would be incorrect. FASA created BT, and they technically went to the correct parties to get the rights to use Macross designs for stuff like the Marauder, but since Harmony Gold is a parasite and lied to everyone about their ownership of the international rights to Macross, and since FASA was a pretty small company back then that couldn't possibly face HG in court, the Unseen got... well, unseen.

Now, if you're looking for Classic Battletech TT models and the like, Catalyst Game Labs has revived CBT so you can just go to their website, or stop it at your local store and buy them. [Redacted] I don't know if Catalyst offers models using MWO's designs. They do exist, but as far as I know they're all fan creations.

Edited by draiocht, 23 August 2017 - 09:12 AM.
illegal activity issue

[Relishcakes]

AncientRaig, on 22 August 2017 - 08:09 PM, said:

BT mechs that FASA stole? Are you talking the Unseen here, or are you implying that PGI or Catalyst created BT? Because both assertions would be incorrect. FASA created BT, and they technically went to the correct parties to get the rights to use Macross designs for stuff like the Marauder, but since Harmony Gold is a parasite and lied to everyone about their ownership of the international rights to Macross, and since FASA was a pretty small company back then that couldn't possibly face HG in court, the Unseen got... well, unseen.

Now, if you're looking for Classic Battletech TT models and the like, Catalyst Game Labs has revived CBT so you can just go to their website, or stop it at your local store and buy them. [Redacted] I don't know if Catalyst offers models using MWO's designs. They do exist, but as far as I know they're all fan creations.

maybe stole was a poor choice of words. As far as I remember all of the early mech choices were essentially taken from other mech series' at the time. Maybe i don't know, that's possible.

Edited by draiocht, 23 August 2017 - 09:15 AM.
Quote Clean-Up

[Lykaon]

Relishcakes, on 22 August 2017 - 06:16 PM, said:

I've been curious as to this and my powers over google seem to be failing me....is there a list someplace of mechs in BT that FASA stole? I'm interested in attempting some model kits or something for my nerd space! Particularly my favorites are the cougar, the adder, the raven, and if possible the atlas.

Here is the scoop as I know it.

In 1984 FASA published the board game Battledroids and used mecha designs they licenced from 20th century imports or TCI (a Japanese model company).

The conflict that arose between Harmony Gold USA and FASA in 1996 (yep 12 years after FASA published Battledroids and later Battletech with the mecha designs in question) is a result of HG purchasing distribution rights for Macross from Tatsunoko,the Japanese animation studio that animated Macross and was granted rights to Macross's distribution by their other two partners Studio Nue and Big West. (these three are the companies that actually made Macross but the way HG carries on you would think they invented it)

So FASA did purchase rights to use the mecha designs from TCI the question of ownership is based upon IF Harmony Gold's contract with Tatsunoko supercedes the prior contract TCI had with FASA or if TCI had rights to sell to FASA in the first place.

As for what mechs and their origins.

FASA used the following for battletech (earlier versions of battledroids feature other macross related images but these fell into disuse by the time of the HG/FASA case in 1996.)

From Macross...

Crusader
Phoenixhawk
Stinger
Wasp
Valkyrie
Warhammer
Archer
Rifleman
Longbow
Marauder

Everything below Harmony Gold DOES NOT have rights to at all!

From Daugram

Shadowhawk
Griffin
Wolverine
Scorpion (quad)
Goliath (quad)
Battlemaster


From crusher Joe...

Locust
Gallion light tank
Earlier versions of the Leopard class dropship


The Cougar,Raven and Atlas are all original mech designs by FASA and currently published by Catalyst Game Labs.

One item that may be of interest to you is FASA licenced Armorcast ( a now defunct resin model distributer) to make a resin model of the Atlas. It stood around 20 inches tall if I recall and looked sorta goofy ( it was roughly to scale with Games Workshop minis). One of these turns up every now and then on Ebay.


P.S. just looked up Armorcast seems they are still in business after all.

Edited by Lykaon, 23 August 2017 - 06:23 AM.

[Exilyth]

Wizkids used to produce the MW:DA collectible miniatures game.
Armorcast used to make Mad Cat, Vulture and Atlas models (from resin or vinyl) at a larger scale.

Both went out of production though.

You can find our more about iron wind metals, the current producer of BT minis, here: http://www.ironwindmetals.com/
You can find out more about the tabletop game produced by catalyst game labs here: http://bg.battletech.com/

[Suko]

Here:
https://www.google.c...iw=1034&bih=712

Also, these are small, but not super tiny like the Table Top minis. I'd say they're about the size of a racketball/tennis ball. These will be more recognizeable to you as "Mechwarrior" mechs.

http://ironwindmetal...cPath=16_44_199

Here's an example of the "Museum Scale" Mad Cat I built.

Edited by Suko, 23 August 2017 - 07:45 AM.

[AncientRaig]

Relishcakes, on 23 August 2017 - 05:27 AM, said:

maybe stole was a poor choice of words. As far as I remember all of the early mech choices were essentially taken from other mech series' at the time. Maybe i don't know, that's possible.

Licensed would've probably been a better choice. Or borrowed even. The mech designs that were taken from other series were acquired through proper legal means, so they weren't "stolen".

Lykaon, on 23 August 2017 - 06:17 AM, said:

Here is the scoop as I know it.

In 1984 FASA published the board game Battledroids and used mecha designs they licenced from 20th century imports or TCI (a Japanese model company).

The conflict that arose between Harmony Gold USA and FASA in 1996 (yep 12 years after FASA published Battledroids and later Battletech with the mecha designs in question) is a result of HG purchasing distribution rights for Macross from Tatsunoko,the Japanese animation studio that animated Macross and was granted rights to Macross's distribution by their other two partners Studio Nue and Big West. (these three are the companies that actually made Macross but the way HG carries on you would think they invented it)

So FASA did purchase rights to use the mecha designs from TCI the question of ownership is based upon IF Harmony Gold's contract with Tatsunoko supercedes the prior contract TCI had with FASA or if TCI had rights to sell to FASA in the first place.

As for what mechs and their origins.

FASA used the following for battletech (earlier versions of battledroids feature other macross related images but these fell into disuse by the time of the HG/FASA case in 1996.)

Everything below Harmony Gold DOES NOT have rights to at all!

From Macross...

Crusader
Phoenixhawk
Stinger
Wasp
Valkyrie
Warhammer
Archer
Rifleman
Longbow
Marauder

From Daugram

Shadowhawk
Griffin
Wolverine
Scorpion (quad)
Goliath (quad)
Battlemaster

From crusher Joe...

Locust
Gallion light tank
Earlier versions of the Leopard class dropship


The Cougar,Raven and Atlas are all original mech designs by FASA and currently published by Catalyst Game Labs.

One item that may be of interest to you is FASA licenced Armorcast ( a now defunct resin model distributer) to make a resin model of the Atlas. It stood around 20 inches tall if I recall and looked sorta goofy ( it was roughly to scale with Games Workshop minis). One of these turns up every now and then on Ebay.


P.S. just looked up Armorcast seems they are still in business after all.

Fixed it for you.

[Johnny Z]

[Redacted]

Edited by draiocht, 23 August 2017 - 11:45 AM.
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