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[Smites]

Greetings MechWarriors. I've only had time to play a little bit of MW:O recently due to work getting in the way of me playing video games and being generally lazy but after doing that and listening to the Town Hall I've come up with a few ideas to help improve balance.

Ghost Heat Improvements

IS and Clan Medium Laser and Large Laser family will now be merged into one happy family and trigger ghost heat if you fire a combination of lasers dealing more than 40-45 points of damage in a single alpha, which would be about 4 Meds and 2 LL.

This would hopefully balance the Laser Vomit Meta and increase TTK. Or people would just switch to more PPCs and Ballistics, tonnage permitting.

IS and Clan MGs now have ghost heat penalties when firing more than 4 of any combination of machine guns. We can't permit the rise of the 6 MG Arctic Cheetah, which is certainly more deadly to the backs of Atlai than the 6 MG Spider.

Remember when I said that people could use more PPCs with the improvements to Ghost Heat? Yeah, I lied like Arnold Schwarzenegger. We're also adding Medium and Large Lasers to the PPC and Gauss Rifle family. No more gauss vomit either!

Rotary AC ghost heat is fine.

Now for some changes to the weapon XML spreadsheet.

IS AC 10 heat reduced to 2.8
IS AC 10 velocity increased to 975 M/s.
IS AC 10 CD increased to 2.66 seconds.

IS Light Gauss Rifle damage increased to 10.
IS Light Gauss Rifle cooldown increased to 4.5 seconds.

Rotary AC are fine.

Heavy PPC damage decreased to 13. 1 point of splash added.
Heavy PPC heat reduced to 14.

Light PPC heat reduced to 4.

IS Large Laser duration reduced to 1 second.
IS Large Laser cooldown increased to 3.4 seconds.

IS Small Laser damage reduced to 3.
IS Small Laser heat increased to 2.

IS Rocket Launcher spread removed.
IS Rocket Launcher min range increased to 90 meters.

Clan Heavy Large Laser cooldown increased to 7 seconds.
Clan Heavy Large Laser duration reduced to 0.95 seconds

Clan Heavy Medium Laser cooldown increased to 6 seconds.
Clan Heavy Medium Laser duration reduced to 0.75 seconds

Clan Heavy Small Laser cooldown increased to 5.5 seconds
Clan Heavy Small Laser duration reduced to 0.65 seconds

C-ATM velocity reduced to 140 M/s.
C-ATM min range increased to 140M.
C-ATM damage drop off changed. Short range = 2.4 Medium range = 1.60 and Long range = 0.80.

IS Rotary AC are fine.

Along with a few quirk changes and a general nerf to Clan and IS agility to increase TTK what does everybody think of my proposed changes? Would the game still be fun for you if even half of these went live? What would you do to improve MW:O, maybe add Quads or IK?

[Nema Nabojiv]

Smites, on 23 August 2017 - 07:49 AM, said:

I've only had time to play a little bit of MW:O recently
....
IS Rotary AC are fine.
....
what does everybody think of my proposed changes?

I think your opinion is very important. Keep us updated.

[DivineTomatoes]

I think PGI should delete your account.

[Antares102]

Nema Nabojiv, on 23 August 2017 - 08:16 AM, said:

I think your opinion is very important. Keep us updated.

Smites.... when liking this post you didnt get the sarcasm, did you?

Edited by Antares102, 23 August 2017 - 08:28 AM.

[Smites]

Antares102, on 23 August 2017 - 08:27 AM, said:

Smites.... when liking this post you didnt get the sarcasm, did you?

I think so far none of you have gotten the sarcasm in mine.

[Nema Nabojiv]

Smites, on 23 August 2017 - 08:31 AM, said:

I think so far none of you have gotten the sarcasm in mine.

lol, sorry mate, I truly did not

[Antares102]

Smites, on 23 August 2017 - 08:31 AM, said:

I think so far none of you have gotten the sarcasm in mine.

Oh ok point for you then.. you hid it pretty well.

[Smites]

Nema Nabojiv, on 23 August 2017 - 08:37 AM, said:

lol, sorry mate, I truly did not

No problem! Easy mistake.

Antares102, on 23 August 2017 - 08:43 AM, said:

Oh ok point for you then.. you hid it pretty well.

Yeah, I'm pretty good at making the ridiculous or stupid sound serious.

I hope that you both got a good laugh out of it now though.

[Cato Zilks]

what a magnificent list of bad ideas, And I see that Chris Lowrey is looking at this terrible list: Chris, no look away! Dont do any of these! Please Chris!

[Smites]

Cato Zilks, on 23 August 2017 - 08:58 AM, said:

what a magnificent list of bad ideas, And I see that Chris Lowrey is looking at this terrible list: Chris, no look away! Dont do any of these! Please Chris!

Look Away!
Look Away!
Look Away!
Look Away!

This thread will wreck your evening, your whole life and your day!
Every single bad idea should be met with much dismay!
So, look away!
Look away!
Look away!

It's hard to fathom how people can manage to get through this,
but how a decent developer like yourself would even want to view it!

There's nothing but horror and inconvenience on the way!
Ask any stable person "should you listen?" and they will say
"Look away!"

Look away!
Look away!
Look away!
Look away!

Edited by Smites, 23 August 2017 - 09:07 AM.

[Judah Malganis]

Notice how, as per usual, the suggestions are:

Nerf cqc - mg heat, slas dmg/heat nerf
Nerf missiles - ATMs min range nerf
Buff poke - ER/heavy laser duration buffs, ppc heat buff, gauss dmg buff

So "let me hide behind cover and spit an alpha out very 7-10 seconds without having to worry about retaliation or flanking". LOL. They'll probably do it.

Edited by Judah Malganis, 23 August 2017 - 09:25 AM.

[Cato Zilks]

Smites, on 23 August 2017 - 09:02 AM, said:

Look Away!
Look Away!
Look Away!
Look Away!

This thread will wreck your evening, your whole life and your day!
Every single bad idea should be met with much dismay!
So, look away!
Look away!
Look away!

It's hard to fathom how people can manage to get through this,
but how a decent developer like yourself would even want to view it!

There's nothing but horror and inconvenience on the way!
Ask any stable person "should you listen?" and they will say
"Look away!"

Look away!
Look away!
Look away!
Look away!

[Smites]

Judah Malganis, on 23 August 2017 - 09:20 AM, said:

Notice how, as per usual, the suggestions are:

Nerf cqc - mg heat, slas dmg/heat nerf
Nerf missiles - ATMs min range nerf
Buff poke - ER/heavy laser duration buffs, ppc heat buff, gauss dmg buff

So "let me hide behind cover and spit an alpha out very 7-10 seconds without having to worry about retaliation or flanking". LOL. They'll probably do it.

I am of the firm belief that small lasers, especially small pulse, are still OP despite the recent balance changes. PGI simply didn't go far enough in obliterating this class of weapons.

Also. ATMs are probably one of three good things from Civil War tech. ATMs, RAC (which are fine) and Light Ferro. LFE is just an inferior C-XL, and I'd rather take an IS XL to win the battle with superior firepower or cooling. IS TC is just meh. Stealth armor is OK but niche and mostly a non-threat.

PGI was right to break PPC and Gauss apart so that they can be balanced separately.

[Jun Watarase]

Smites, on 23 August 2017 - 07:49 AM, said:

Greetings MechWarriors. I've only had time to play a little bit of MW:O recently due to work getting in the way of me playing video games and being generally lazy but after doing that and listening to the Town Hall I've come up with a few ideas to help improve balance.

Ghost Heat Improvements

IS and Clan Medium Laser and Large Laser family will now be merged into one happy family and trigger ghost heat if you fire a combination of lasers dealing more than 40-45 points of damage in a single alpha, which would be about 4 Meds and 2 LL.

This would hopefully balance the Laser Vomit Meta and increase TTK. Or people would just switch to more PPCs and Ballistics, tonnage permitting.

IS and Clan MGs now have ghost heat penalties when firing more than 4 of any combination of machine guns. We can't permit the rise of the 6 MG Arctic Cheetah, which is certainly more deadly to the backs of Atlai than the 6 MG Spider.

Remember when I said that people could use more PPCs with the improvements to Ghost Heat? Yeah, I lied like Arnold Schwarzenegger. We're also adding Medium and Large Lasers to the PPC and Gauss Rifle family. No more gauss vomit either!

Rotary AC ghost heat is fine.

Now for some changes to the weapon XML spreadsheet.

IS AC 10 heat reduced to 2.8
IS AC 10 velocity increased to 975 M/s.
IS AC 10 CD increased to 2.66 seconds.

IS Light Gauss Rifle damage increased to 10.
IS Light Gauss Rifle cooldown increased to 4.5 seconds.

Rotary AC are fine.

Heavy PPC damage decreased to 13. 1 point of splash added.
Heavy PPC heat reduced to 14.

Light PPC heat reduced to 4.

IS Large Laser duration reduced to 1 second.
IS Large Laser cooldown increased to 3.4 seconds.

IS Small Laser damage reduced to 3.
IS Small Laser heat increased to 2.

IS Rocket Launcher spread removed.
IS Rocket Launcher min range increased to 90 meters.

Clan Heavy Large Laser cooldown increased to 7 seconds.
Clan Heavy Large Laser duration reduced to 0.95 seconds

Clan Heavy Medium Laser cooldown increased to 6 seconds.
Clan Heavy Medium Laser duration reduced to 0.75 seconds

Clan Heavy Small Laser cooldown increased to 5.5 seconds
Clan Heavy Small Laser duration reduced to 0.65 seconds

C-ATM velocity reduced to 140 M/s.
C-ATM min range increased to 140M.
C-ATM damage drop off changed. Short range = 2.4 Medium range = 1.60 and Long range = 0.80.

IS Rotary AC are fine.

Along with a few quirk changes and a general nerf to Clan and IS agility to increase TTK what does everybody think of my proposed changes? Would the game still be fun for you if even half of these went live? What would you do to improve MW:O, maybe add Quads or IK?

Uh, you must be new here. PGI doesnt do balance the same way most companies do marketing research...they just do whatever they want.

Edited by Jun Watarase, 23 August 2017 - 02:26 PM.

[MadRover]

So drive people further away? What? Just stop. Hide. Put yourself in a corner. Hide your phone. Hide your desktop and laptop. In fact hide anything that deals with gaming. Have some fresh air. Read a book. Etc. etc.

[KursedVixen]

I think your opinion is very biased.

if these were implemented I would ask for ALL my money back and leave the game.


This isn't funny at all.

Edited by KursedVixen, 23 August 2017 - 05:43 PM.

[Smites]

KursedVixen, on 23 August 2017 - 05:35 PM, said:

I think your opinion is very biased.

if these were implemented I would ask for ALL my money back and leave the game.


This isn't funny at all.

Aren't all opinions biased?

And how is this not funny? You are reading this like its sharp sarcasm, right? Not something we actually want to see implemented.

Edited by Smites, 23 August 2017 - 06:08 PM.

[MadRover]

Smites, on 23 August 2017 - 05:46 PM, said:

Aren't all opinions biased?

And how is this not funny? You are reading this like its sharp sarcasm, right? Not something we actually want to see implemented.

We need more laughs

[KursedVixen]

I'll get more laughs when I see inner sphere Lights one shotted by clan mechs.

[FupDup]

You nerfed the IS SL...instant disqualification.