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[Kalimaster]

Rush Limbaugh suggested that the panic caused by approaching hurricanes benefits climate change activists was forced to flee his Palm Beach Studio in Florida by Hurricane Irma. Maybe he could convince people to stop destroying the rain forest. "But Senior, the trees, they steal the air".

Right now, many of us are concerned for those in Florida. Best wishes to those stuck in the path of fury.

[Davegt27]

who's Rush Limbaugh?

[Kalimaster]

He's a political radio talk show host.

[Davegt27]

ok thanks

[Lily from animove]

It's just darwin beeing back.

Climate change activists are rubbish. The real issues is us as the technologically advanced mankind having adopted a state of living which started to be inflexible.

Egypt was once a huge farming empire, thats a few thousend years ago.
Parts of the baltic sea were not flooded a few thousend years ago.
The biblic flood mostlikely describes an event when the black sea's sea level slowly raised and mostly collapsed a landbridge at the bosporus flooding the entire area behind.

So even with the mankinds effect in speeding up climate changes, the change of climate happens since ever and through earth's history sometimes more slowly, sometimes faster.

And whenever mankind settled down somewhere people always died to catastrophes. It is sad and dramatic for the ones on the receiving end. But it seems to be ineviteable on the bigger picture.

Especially our now technolgical advanced style of livind which kinda started since the industrial revolution (so around 1800) is an extremely small window of time amongst the events of changes on earth.

Earth will warm up, sea levels will rise. climate activists won't prevent this in best case delay it for some negliable time. What I don't get and makes me see mankind as a now stupid mass is events like we have seen in the past 20 years. Whenever a bigger city is entirely flooded and buildings destroyed people just rebuild it on the same spot. But why? Why if it is destroyed anyways rebuild it somewhere else? The hope of "it won't happen again" thats rather stupid in my opinion. And most coastal cities get in trouble with rising sealevels anyways. All it does is creating the next huge catastrophe. So in future mankind needs to adopt again because those few 100 years of "stable" climate in some reagions are just over. But our very inflexible cities and structures bind us to huge economical losses. We coud use our technological knowledge to prevent these by making proper forecasts where danegrous areas will be in future and then kinda avoid living there or adabt with proper husing. But rebuilding those wooden houses over and over in these regions is just derp. We need our infrastructure and technology to be adabtable too to those inevitable changes, otherwise our tehcnological and civilisation will collapse as many other civlisations have before.

A way more improtant task for us over protecting the climate is out own turn from fossile ressoruces towards renewable ressources because the fossiles will sooner or later be gone and have to be replaced with alternates.

Edited by Lily from animove, 12 September 2017 - 01:25 AM.

[Kalimaster]

Let's look at this simple fact. Millions of years ago, during the days of the dino's, earth was tropical climate wise. That is temperature. It could be that the earth is slowly warming back up to it's normal temperature after a climate change that brought on the ice age.

[Lily from animove]

Kalimaster, on 12 September 2017 - 07:14 AM, said:

Let's look at this simple fact. Millions of years ago, during the days of the dino's, earth was tropical climate wise. That is temperature. It could be that the earth is slowly warming back up to it's normal temperature after a climate change that brought on the ice age.

and CO2 was also more, CO2 is in fact a ressoruce for plants to grow, it is therefore actually important to bring back the fiossiles buried in the ground back to the cycle. So all that talk abou the evil CO2 is a lot rubbush anyways.

but there is a lot change on earth anyways, the moon drifts away slowly, which means tides were much bigger back then, and this had effects on the climate and how water distributed around the globe. With moon drifting away this will also lower. Sun expands slowly as it releases mass. so the future of eath will anways eman getting warmer maybe even getting too warm at some point in a far far future. So maybe earth ends up like Mars one day. People just exaggerate too many things, but I guess some of them just want attention. A much bigger and more urgent problem is our food supply, as we currently overstrain farmland and oceans and so before the climate catastrophe happens we will have issues nourishing the still expanding numbers of humans on our limited spaced planet. So birth control and trying to adabt to a world wide lifestyle thats possible wihtin the amount of truly renewable ressources is a true matter of a not so far future. But the very widespread idea of capitalism and it's need to grow heavily counters such a needed transformation. and thats why mostlikely just another populatin reducing war may happen as it happened already a lot of times. In ancient times megacities existed as well with million+ inhabitants and technology was ratehr advanced cmpared to times after them. Now the question just is if this history will repeat or if we can use our far advanced scientific knowledge to prepare for the forseeable problems and if we can convince the mass of mankind why this is needed.

And funnily, what if civilisation existed on Mars? Given how deserst can nowdays spread quickly and leave nothing to see, or how just temples of the old american Civilisations were buried and forgotten withing just a few centuries and had to be rediscovered. It could be lets say there was like a cilisation a billion years ago on mars or further int he past before it's major part of the athomshere was blown away. We would just not be able to find this at this point. Sure very unlikely, but given how stuff gets lost and buried on our planet already in a fre centuries or millenia, some million of years can bury and hide much more without a trace.

Edited by Lily from animove, 27 September 2017 - 12:11 AM.

[Ralgimanek]

Now this is just dumb, you admit yourself that you know he is a radio host. How do you think he would be able to host a show in the middle of a hurricane? The ionization caused by the wind alone would block any reliable signal and it would be far from a quality signal that needs to go out for broadcast. He was never going to stay, never said he would and just urged people not to panic as they made preparations and I know that and I don't even listen to the show. 3 seconds of internet searching would have told you have said is full of crap.

Almost as dumb as all the whiners wondering why President Trump didn't open up his Mar Largo hotel as an evacuation center. It isn't on the coast of Florida it is OFF the coast on a barrier island where the storm surge has a good chance of completely destroying it. You don't evacuate to something that may be destroyed.

The whole fricken state as well as the major parts of the bordering states had evacuation orders out because a 400 mile wide area of destruction that could be a 1,000 miles long was plowing through the country. It was well handled and now you got to whine about some made up crap. Just shut up.

[LordNothing]

the world is just an energy system seeking a ground state. people seem to have this delusion that order somehow creates things, but its chaos that truely creates. you dont want to live in an ordered universe, that would be an endless sea of boredom. storms are good.

[Lily from animove]

LordNothing, on 26 September 2017 - 07:05 PM, said:

the world is just an energy system seeking a ground state. people seem to have this delusion that order somehow creates things, but its chaos that truely creates. you dont want to live in an ordered universe, that would be an endless sea of boredom. storms are good.

there is no chaos, the entire universe is order following the rules of physics, "chaos" is only what mankind does (yet) not understand and therefore is not able to predict.

Edited by Lily from animove, 27 September 2017 - 12:10 AM.

[LordNothing]

Lily from animove, on 27 September 2017 - 12:10 AM, said:

there is no chaos, the entire universe is order following the rules of physics, "chaos" is only what mankind does (yet) not understand and therefore is not able to predict.

universe marches towards state of maximum entropy.

[Lily from animove]

LordNothing, on 27 September 2017 - 12:21 AM, said:

universe marches towards state of maximum entropy.

that is what we think it does based on our current scientific state, it's not necessarily what has to happen.

Edited by Lily from animove, 27 September 2017 - 01:38 AM.