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[ScrapIron Prime]

Stonefalcon, on 18 September 2017 - 06:40 PM, said:

But what do I now do with my 3 Dragon 1Cs? I renamed one of my Awesomes Danerys Targaryen cause it ran it with the 3 1Cs in CW.

Like he says... use another mech with the same 3 LPL loadout. Like the Centurion AL with a 255 XL, or a 270 LFE with 3 LL / ERLL. i bet if we all do it, they'll nerf it next.

[Bud Crue]

FupDup, on 18 September 2017 - 06:30 PM, said:

Bruh, you know by now that no one is ever safe from the almighty Nerf Gun. Your bad robots will eventually get the hammer, it's only a question of when...

Undoubtedly. But right now, in the era of Chris "quirks have introduced a level of power creep, etc." Lowery my overly quirked t5 mechs have been left alone. So for now, I can rejoice in the knowledge that may barely viable, certainly not competitive mechs are not being made any worse, for at least another month or two. Given how the last year of nerfs have gone, that is enough for me atm.

[FireStoat]

Your tiny font sucks. I understand why it's pulled as small when you source it from a post, but geeze dude. Apply yourself.

[Spheroid]

They really don't like cUAC-10 do they. The thing was already too hot. Bad call. If you are going to cook me alive give me back reduced jamming.

[chucklesMuch]

Spheroid, on 18 September 2017 - 06:53 PM, said:

They really don't like cUAC-10 do they. The thing was already too hot. Bad call. If you are going to cook me alive give me back reduced jamming.

I have translated this as; "Oi! you should be using guass + laser vomit more", meh okay.

[Zergling]

The DRG-1C nerfs will just make shift the Dragon laser builds over to the Fang and Flame instead.

And I'm particularly annoyed with the Warhawk C nerf, as I bought the (S) variant in the Steam pack a few months ago, and never got around to playing it due to all the other mechs I had to play.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Jun Watarase, on 18 September 2017 - 06:38 PM, said:

The funny thing is that the 4 ER PPC build isnt even that strong considering you still overheat like crazy on cold maps

Maybe with bad players, the thing just spewed damage, and yes, even in PUG queue. PUG queue it is actually one of the better mechs because most potatoes don't charge together. No it couldn't match dakka spam damage, but it could still spit out the damage which is impressive for a PPC boat (13% heat gen on top of 28 cDHS is pretty insane with something that can touch people outside of 800m).

Jun Watarase, on 18 September 2017 - 06:38 PM, said:

All they did was encourage people to boat LPLs instead of using 2x LPL/2x ER PPCs on the WHK-C. This isnt a good thing,

No one ran 2 LPL/2 ERPPC in the first place so honestly I don't care that they just encourage LPL spam.

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 18 September 2017 - 07:54 PM.

[GenghisJr]

The DRG 1C got nerf'd! let me guess, 4 ERLL versions in FP? My 2ERLL Gauss DRG 1C says i hope the staff can be paid in cbills as Im finished buying MC for ...a period to be determined.

[Trenchbird]

Originally I was like "Nah, it's fine".

But then I saw the Mech nerfs. Just... Who the hell thought the DRG-1C was overpowered? Seriously, who complained? And the SNV-1 was barely competitive in the first place.

[Y E O N N E]

Catten Hart, on 18 September 2017 - 08:05 PM, said:

Originally I was like "Nah, it's fine".

But then I saw the Mech nerfs. Just... Who the hell thought the DRG-1C was overpowered? Seriously, who complained? And the SNV-1 was barely competitive in the first place.

DRG-1C was powerful. Overpowered, though? I think PGI needs to re-assess where they think 'Mechs should be performing. When we can volley out 71-94 points of damage from 450 meters and not instantly explode, I have a really hard time believing that a Dragon with three quick-firing ERLL is "too powerful."

Adjust the expectation in this case, not the 'Mech.

[Bombast]

Catten Hart, on 18 September 2017 - 08:05 PM, said:

But then I saw the Mech nerfs. Just... Who the hell thought the DRG-1C was overpowered? Seriously, who complained? And the SNV-1 was barely competitive in the first place.

I wonder... maybe weird, rare, kind of 'eh' mechs get nerfed because no one plays them, until a 'pro' player gets bored, pumps out a bunch of excellent matches in it because they're awesome, and somewhere on the server a little algorthym that's reading averages ticks over and spits out 'over performing.'

That seems kind of... conspiracy-ish now that I've typed it out.

[FupDup]

Bombast, on 18 September 2017 - 08:10 PM, said:

I wonder... maybe weird, rare, kind of 'eh' mechs get nerfed because no one plays them, until a 'pro' player gets bored, pumps out a bunch of excellent matches in it because they're awesome, and somewhere on the server a little algorthym that's reading averages ticks over and spits out 'over performing.'

That seems kind of... conspiracy-ish now that I've typed it out.

I've had similar experiences over the years. Like, how the Clan ERLL coincidentally gets nerfed shortly after I finish grinding out my 2 ERLL + 2 ERML Adder and 5 ERLL Warhawk back in the early months of the invasion. Or how I recently got the Warhawk-C nerfed by running the Wubhawk build on it for a little while. And I did semi-recently grind out the Hunchback IIC-A...

[Gas Guzzler]

Stonefalcon, on 18 September 2017 - 06:40 PM, said:

But what do I now do with my 3 Dragon 1Cs? I renamed one of my Awesomes Danerys Targaryen cause it ran it with the 3 1Cs in CW.

LOL. Well played.

[Trenchbird]

Bombast, on 18 September 2017 - 08:10 PM, said:

I wonder... maybe weird, rare, kind of 'eh' mechs get nerfed because no one plays them, until a 'pro' player gets bored, pumps out a bunch of excellent matches in it because they're awesome, and somewhere on the server a little algorthym that's reading averages ticks over and spits out 'over performing.'

That seems kind of... conspiracy-ish now that I've typed it out.

Actually, I would wager this as being the reason.
That said, I wish PGI would actually take player feedback instead of just 'performance'. Because this actually seems to be a decently valid reason.

Edited by Catten Hart, 18 September 2017 - 08:21 PM.

[Valhallan]

FupDup, on 18 September 2017 - 06:30 PM, said:

Bruh, you know by now that no one is ever safe from the almighty Nerf Gun. Your bad robots will eventually get the hammer, it's only a question of when...

IDK i don't think the vindicator line (especially the 1x) will ever get hammered, since i don't think it will ever be even remotely relevant unless it gets buff again .

[InvictusLee]

Bombast, on 18 September 2017 - 05:50 PM, said:

The MRM buff is pretty decent, actually. There's several maps with postions that are just outside of MRM range, forcing you to either hunker down and wait for one of the teams to do something, or do something stupid like rush in a mech with MRMs, which don't push well.

It's certainly not going to make it meta, but I think it will help people running them in QP for fun (And who else is using them anyway?).

MRMS just became Long Range Missiles. Therefore defeating their original purpose.
I digress though, I actually like the change. It will help me with longer range trades .

[Trenchbird]

I mean, I think the Vindy is more of a stigma thing. It's pretty damn tanky for what it is.

I do wish the other Cappellan Mechs had huge armor buffs, though. As much as I hate Cappies, a themed lance of tanky units is pretty cool.

[FupDup]

November11th, on 18 September 2017 - 08:25 PM, said:

MRMS just became Long Range Missiles. Therefore defeating their original purpose.
I digress though, I actually like the change. It will help me with longer range trades .

Spread will still restrict their function that those ranges though.

[Bombast]

FupDup, on 18 September 2017 - 08:17 PM, said:

I've had similar experiences over the years. Like, how the Clan ERLL coincidentally gets nerfed shortly after I finish grinding out my 2 ERLL + 2 ERML Adder and 5 ERLL Warhawk back in the early months of the invasion. Or how I recently got the Warhawk-C nerfed by running the Wubhawk build on it for a little while. And I did semi-recently grind out the Hunchback IIC-A...

Oh... so all the balancing issues in this game are your fault?

Get him, guys!

[Valhallan]

Catten Hart, on 18 September 2017 - 08:25 PM, said:

I mean, I think the Vindy is more of a stigma thing. It's pretty damn tanky for what it is.

I do wish the other Cappellan Mechs had huge armor buffs, though. As much as I hate Cappies, a themed lance of tanky units is pretty cool.

Not really a stigma the problem is its got bad engine cap + low mounts + not enough mounts at the medium size. Its pretty hard to do anything with it well aside from side poking with hppcs maybe, and the 1x can't even do that .

Also cappies are great you heretic! only our leaders suck cuz of plot armors .