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[MadRover]

So after reading the long list of mechs being buffed and nerfed, the one thing that is very glaring is how PGI implements mechs into the game. Do the words premium powercreep is bad mean anything to you PGI? Seriously, we've been complaining about the premium powercreep for quite a while now. A good looooong while.

[Bombast]

Haven't most of the recent 'premium' mechs been kind of crap?

[MadRover]

Bombast, on 18 September 2017 - 08:07 PM, said:

Haven't most of the recent 'premium' mechs been kind of crap?

The true outliers. Next 3 weeks IS will be seeing the Nightstar (true gauss platform) and Clan will get the Arctic Wolf for another missile/laser boat as well as the Nova Cat and then its a waiting game although I will agree some of the new mechs are kinda meh. However, the most recent one (premium hero mechs specifically) is a fairly strong outlier of whats happening.

[FupDup]

Bombast, on 18 September 2017 - 08:07 PM, said:

Haven't most of the recent 'premium' mechs been kind of crap?

But dat Mad Cat Mk. 2 tho.

[El Bandito]

MadRover, on 18 September 2017 - 08:06 PM, said:

So after reading the long list of mechs being buffed and nerfed, the one thing that is very glaring is how PGI implements mechs into the game. Do the words premium powercreep is bad mean anything to you PGI? Seriously, we've been complaining about the premium powercreep for quite a while now. A good looooong while.

It is very hard to release a new mech that is completely balanced out of the gate. Which is why it is far more beneficial for PGI (or any gaming company) to release a mech that is slightly more powerful than the existing curve, and nerf it later on, than release a crap mech no one will buy.

Edited by El Bandito, 18 September 2017 - 09:01 PM.

[InvictusLee]

FupDup, on 18 September 2017 - 08:20 PM, said:

But dat Mad Cat Mk. 2 tho.

Idk man. PGI is 1 out of 4.

Madcat is OP and should rightfully be OP.
The rest of its release brethren though were kinda meh.
Uziel is still being tweaked but has been made of paper from the getgo.
Cougar is too slow and too paper thin to be really effective at anything.
Anni is just too slow and suffers from an obvious and easy headshot location.

[Bombast]

November11th, on 18 September 2017 - 09:05 PM, said:

Madcat is OP and should rightfully be OP.

Oh man, I gotta hear the justification for this one. Is it 'reputation' based? I bet its reputation based.

[Gas Guzzler]

MadRover, on 18 September 2017 - 08:19 PM, said:

Next 3 weeks IS will be seeing the Nightstar (true gauss platform)

Lol you think the Nightstar is going to power creep? Curious to hear what builds you think are going to be anything of consequence?

[Valhallan]

Uhhhh how is this surprising? The clan introduction was a large scale blatant example of this.

[MadRover]

November11th, on 18 September 2017 - 09:05 PM, said:

Idk man. PGI is 1 out of 4.

Madcat is OP and should rightfully be OP.
The rest of its release brethren though were kinda meh.
Uziel is still being tweaked but has been made of paper from the getgo.
Cougar is too slow and too paper thin to be really effective at anything.
Anni is just too slow and suffers from an obvious and easy headshot location.

How is the MCII op? It has some of the most obvious components to hit, mostly reliant being a second line assault mech (Gauss builds by tradition) and has weaker armor compared to the next 90ton mech you can point out. She's very fragile and is more of a glass cannon 90ton assault mech. The MCII can barely take a beating for crying out loud.

[Gas Guzzler]

MadRover, on 18 September 2017 - 10:02 PM, said:

How is the MCII op? It has some of the most obvious components to hit, mostly reliant being a second line assault mech (Gauss builds by tradition) and has weaker armor compared to the next 90ton mech you can point out. She's very fragile and is more of a glass cannon 90ton assault mech. The MCII can barely take a beating for crying out loud.

You are in the minority in thinking that the MCII isn't the best mech in the game right now..

[MadRover]

Gas Guzzler, on 18 September 2017 - 10:10 PM, said:

You are in the minority in thinking that the MCII isn't the best mech in the game right now..

The MADIIC is slightly better than the MCII. Especially since the tooth fairy Scorch can tear it apart if the pilot of the MCII is stupid enough to let it get close (MCII-2 being the exception, depending on build) and it's also very easy to lose all your weapons if you're not careful. The MCII does not like being shot at all and yes I've played both and while I do like the MCII, the MADIIC has it beat no questions asked.

[Bombast]

Gas Guzzler, on 18 September 2017 - 10:10 PM, said:

You are in the minority in thinking that the MCII isn't the best mech in the game right now..

If the MCII is the 'best' mech in the game, balance really is pretty good at the moment.

[Karl Streiger]

MWO need overpowered Mechs that is used by all players because otherwise the MM can't work correctly.
Its not the fault that the MM and PSR is bad - its the bad players that run non-meta or help me stock mechs that ruin the game for others.

So stop complaining an buy a Premium Mech as long as it is OP.

Edited by Karl Streiger, 18 September 2017 - 10:25 PM.

[Requiemking]

Bombast, on 18 September 2017 - 09:07 PM, said:

Oh man, I gotta hear the justification for this one. Is it 'reputation' based? I bet its reputation based.

The only reputation the FatCat has is as a poorly designed second liner that is only useful in a role that can be accomplished by a mech a full third lighter than it.

MadRover, on 18 September 2017 - 10:02 PM, said:

How is the MCII op? It has some of the most obvious components to hit, mostly reliant being a second line assault mech (Gauss builds by tradition) and has weaker armor compared to the next 90ton mech you can point out. She's very fragile and is more of a glass cannon 90ton assault mech. The MCII can barely take a beating for crying out loud.

Not to mention the fact that, outside the FatCat A's RT Ballistic and the FatCat 4 Secondary energy mounts in the arms, The only weapons on a FatCat mounted above the lowest rim of the cockpit are it's missile ears.

[Bombast]

Requiemking, on 18 September 2017 - 10:41 PM, said:

The only reputation the FatCat has is as a poorly designed second liner that is only useful in a role that can be accomplished by a mech a full third lighter than it.

I meant with the playerbase. I don't know if one of them was November11th or not, but I've seen at least two people on this forum advocate that 'iconic' mechs should over perform because they have a 'special place' in Battletech/Mechwarrior.

[Karl Streiger]

Bombast, on 18 September 2017 - 10:47 PM, said:

I meant with the playerbase. I don't know if one of them was November11th or not, but I've seen at least two people on this forum advocate that 'iconic' mechs should over perform because they have a 'special place' in Battletech/Mechwarrior.

Really?
Well that is a cool idea - i advertise we shrink the Zeus again, back before the horrible rescale. And we add a charge damage - when ever the foot of a Zeus tips a Panther or UrbanMech that other Mech dies by a crushed cockpit

[Luminis]

MadRover, on 18 September 2017 - 10:15 PM, said:

The MADIIC is slightly better than the MCII. Especially since the tooth fairy Scorch can tear it apart if the pilot of the MCII is stupid enough to let it get close (MCII-2 being the exception, depending on build) and it's also very easy to lose all your weapons if you're not careful. The MCII does not like being shot at all and yes I've played both and while I do like the MCII, the MADIIC has it beat no questions asked.

This doesn't sound like you spend much time in the Deahstrike.

The Deathstrike is my baby and I don't want to see it nerfed, but I'm positive it is the strongest Assault in the game at the moment. The Scorch can beat it in a brawl, sure, but the Deathstrike isn't almost useless past 300 metres. Sort of a big deal.

Dunno whether it's that much better than the competition that nerfs are warranted and I don't know if it's the best 'Mech overall, either (have a hard time judging how the sheer firepower stacks up to the agility and well rounded nature of Heavies), but I'd definitely argue that it's a stronger Assault than the MAD-IIC.

[MadRover]

Luminis, on 19 September 2017 - 01:08 AM, said:

This doesn't sound like you spend much time in the Deahstrike.

The Deathstrike is my baby and I don't want to see it nerfed, but I'm positive it is the strongest Assault in the game at the moment. The Scorch can beat it in a brawl, sure, but the Deathstrike isn't almost useless past 300 metres. Sort of a big deal.

Dunno whether it's that much better than the competition that nerfs are warranted and I don't know if it's the best 'Mech overall, either (have a hard time judging how the sheer firepower stacks up to the agility and well rounded nature of Heavies), but I'd definitely argue that it's a stronger Assault than the MAD-IIC.

The Deathstrike can get torn apart quite easily. I'm not seeing why people are complaining about it except they don't have 35$ on them and they refuse to do real life stuff for it. Also, there are other mechs that can do 300m fights better than the Deathstrike and some of those are heavies. Only reason why I don't spend time on it with the gauss build is you have to go approximately 10kph slower, and the MCII-1 does the job better. The only build I found to be powerful is the dual ultra10 and 6mpl and that's with proper heat management.

[LordNothing]

way i see it all the sane builds can be done with mechs available for cbills. ultraviolets and anihilators are fine examples of diminishing returns.