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[D VA]

Brain Cancer, on 21 September 2017 - 01:04 PM, said:

Apparently, neither have you if this is any indication.
Honestly, it's more a matter of Cougars being real-money only at that point. Once they drop to C-bill status, you'll see more of them, just like the Kit Fox.

Ohhh.... I need more descent. I'm too high for a mech I main... GHR-5H, cause it's totaly off-meta and should be off-the list. Still don't know why Kodies and Fatlases do die cause of me What I'm doing wrong???

[Vxheous]

D VA, on 21 September 2017 - 03:49 PM, said:

Ohhh.... I need more descent. I'm too high for a mech I main... GHR-5H, cause it's totaly off-meta and should be off-the list. Still don't know why Kodies and Fatlases do die cause of me What I'm doing wrong???

Sorry to break it to you, but Grasshopper 5H with 3LPL +your choice of ERML is pretty meta

[Shifty McSwift]

With a title like that... Did you just get killed by one of these "OP/tryhard" mechs?

It's just meta game, there will always be best and worst tools for jobs, the only thing the devs can really do is try and make those differences minimal, which they really haven't (see 100kph heavies, and 12 weapon hardpoint meds).

So yeah we are left with a pool of mechs that are the "best" at certain roles, why should a player be rewarded less for taking optimal choices?

In the same vein that you are tired of seeing the same "OP " mechs running about in your QP, I am kind of tired of seeing joke/troll/event completion builds running around QP firing potato guns and making the meta builds look godly. So meh, I guess we'll have to call it even for now.

My solution would be a simple split of casual quickplay (where you don't get leaderboard rankings, slightly less C-bills etc), and a "ranked" quickplay, but meh, this is what we have, so my above feelings apply.

[adamts01]

Relishcakes, on 21 September 2017 - 12:20 PM, said:

I have only played my Cou-C since its release. I will ONLY play my Cou-C. I'm not great at this game but you ******* know when its me. You know why? I've never seen another cougar pilot. I bet most of them couldn't figure out how to not cook themselves with all of its laser hardpoints.

Once it's out or c-bills I'll be all over that thing.

chucklesMuch, on 21 September 2017 - 12:23 PM, said:

Ummm so people should run trashy mechs cos good ones means you try too hard?

Hey it's a game... play whatever you want. I perfer it when my teammates bring something they are effective in whether favour of the month or trash tier.

I'm not talking about the average player. All this would do is possibly get god-tier players to expose just a little more and deal just a little less damage. Just a slight levelling of the playing field.

Alcom Isst, on 21 September 2017 - 12:32 PM, said:

This is a good idea for the wrong reason. It would be neat to see an automatically adjusting c-bill bonus for lesser used mechs as to encourage more variety on the battlefield and give players a compelling method to gather more c-bills.

It's good for a bunch of different reasons. It could help levelling the playing field, increases variety, and helps those average players who just happen to be emotionally attached to some crap mech that never makes them any $.

Rovertoo, on 21 September 2017 - 02:00 PM, said:

Ill be honest, I dont really feel there are really any OP mechs~

Shifty McSwift, on 21 September 2017 - 05:22 PM, said:

With a title like that... Did you just get killed by one of these "OP/tryhard" mechs?

Haha. I'm using the terms losely and half jokingly. It's not like the Wubberine or CT seeking streak days before ECM haad a counter.

[Brain Cancer]

Mystere, on 21 September 2017 - 03:18 PM, said:

Nope. Try again.

With stats like that, if all he's playing is the Cougar, there seems to be no mastery of it at all. His W/L is abominable. His K/D is worse, and he's not pulling more than 200 or so matchscore per match.

This doesn't strike me as being any reason to talk about your superiority at piloting the 'Mech. Something is being done wrong at that point, especially when you're lucky to kill an enemy once in every ten games.

[Kiiyor]

Jay Leon Hart, on 21 September 2017 - 12:07 PM, said:

What do I get for running a Uziel?

You get to catch a ride into battle on the special bus.

My Awesome is the driver.

[JC Daxion]

Dakota1000, on 21 September 2017 - 11:52 AM, said:

I remember dropping in UAC20 wielding Adders frequently and pushing out over 500 damage a match easily and having a lot of fun outplaying enemies in a mech with obvious disadvantages. Then the Adders got bigger, they got their ballistics quirks wrecked, and UAC20s got demolished.

I still run my AUC20+3 ERML adder.. it works well, can put up 500-600 in a decent match no problem.

[Fox With A Shotgun]

adamts01, on 21 September 2017 - 11:42 AM, said:

Everyone sees people do well in Kodiaks or whatever the FOTM mech is. What's really impressive is when people can make some random mech shine. I'd like to propose a new modifier and leader board that gives you points based on the % of players who drop in your mech. So if you drop in a Cheetah you don't get any modifier but if you drop in a Kit Fox you get a bonus. I'm sick of seeing the best players in the game use the most overpowered mech available. It would be good for the community and also a real show of talent if everyone would show how well they could do in the worst chassis out there.

Free CBills for a Kit Fox? I'll take it. Keep thinking that the Kit Fox is a Sh*t Fox. It suits my agenda juuuuuust fine...

[Y E O N N E]

Fox With A Shotgun, on 21 September 2017 - 11:28 PM, said:

Free CBills for a Kit Fox? I'll take it. Keep thinking that the Kit Fox is a Sh*t Fox. It suits my agenda juuuuuust fine...

He hasn't played in a long time, he doesn't know...

[adamts01]

Fox With A Shotgun, on 21 September 2017 - 11:28 PM, said:

Free CBills for a Kit Fox? I'll take it. Keep thinking that the Kit Fox is a Sh*t Fox. It suits my agenda juuuuuust fine...

I see you do well enough in most matches with your bird shot. It's cool that you stuck with it.

Yeonne Greene, on 21 September 2017 - 11:30 PM, said:

He hasn't played in a long time, he doesn't know...

What's so great about it? It's got decent energy quirks but terrible hardpoints. I'd like to run a UAC10 on it but it just doesn't have the tonnage. The best I've found is an ERPPC and 2xSPL ECM AMS support kind of mech. There's just nothing about it that strikes me as good.

[Kh0rn]

I actually flat out refuse to run meta as I consider it too easy to use. I always look for mechs that are never used or seen and the builds I place on them are all kinds of different. So I handicap myself and try my best to push on and make it effective.

My idea of a good pilot is not one that uses meta all the time, it's one who can take a any mech with a array of weapons and still make them good.

[Lily from animove]

Brain Cancer, on 21 September 2017 - 12:13 PM, said:

It's almost as if being able to discern and maximize a chassis's effectiveness is part of gitgud.

true but it's also whats going to make things feel worn out and boring after time. Especially for people who just love a specific mech where passion drives their choice, but then it's not top tier meta.

I play my NVA like 90% of the time just because I did so since it was released. No matter in which bad or later buffed state it was. But people who arn't amongst the better pilots will quickly lose motivations if lower skills in below meta mechs meet as ths is a devasting combination for them.

[D VA]

Vxheous, on 21 September 2017 - 04:32 PM, said:

Sorry to break it to you, but Grasshopper 5H with 3LPL +your choice of ERML is pretty meta

Sorry for inconvenience but... cause, nobody runs GHR-5H with 3xLPL + some ERML's nowadays any more))) Especially I'm, since I'm... I do 2xHPPC+5ML's. And you kid and your fangirls don't even got an idea why this build is supperior to 3xLPLs...

Edited by D VA, 22 September 2017 - 01:00 AM.

[Y E O N N E]

WTB: proper use of parentheses and ellipsis.

[Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood]

adamts01, on 21 September 2017 - 11:58 PM, said:

I see you do well enough in most matches with your bird shot. It's cool that you stuck with it.


What's so great about it? It's got decent energy quirks but terrible hardpoints. I'd like to run a UAC10 on it but it just doesn't have the tonnage. The best I've found is an ERPPC and 2xSPL ECM AMS support kind of mech. There's just nothing about it that strikes me as good.

You can't run a UAC10 on a Kit Fox? I used to run my main build as a UAC10, 2 jump jets, ecm, and 3 ERSL split between the arms. I'd act as a sort of poptart putting out 20 damage each jump then end game I'd be on cleanup duty using my 35 damage alpha to mop up. It worked pretty well with that high mounted UAC10. Thinking about it, I may have removed the ECM or one of the jump jets so that I could get a bit more ammo. You could just remove a couple of the ERSLs in one arm and strip the arm and have all the ammo you could want though, up to you. You could strip the armor off the C arm and still have 20 points on it with the quirks on it too. Here's the base build with a single ton of ammo:
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...d7c5869616e8e86
Here it is with 2 tons: http://mwo.smurfy-ne...53970d689407c07

This is assuming I wasn't just running a UAC20 like a mad man.

Also Kit Foxes are great at energy if you have the hero pods, which makes it one of the best, if not the best light mech for sustained laser poking, with its ability to hold 6 ERML (up to 7 energy total though, so now you could through in a HLL too if you don't care about cooling) and ECM with 4 of the lasers above cockpit height.


Its not really a super meta light mech, but it can be played as more of a pocket medium, supporting allies with ECM and DPS when nearby.

Here's a UAC20 while I'm at it, though I'd recommend it on an Adder for some backup lasers: http://mwo.smurfy-ne...93f03caf697378e

Edited by Dakota1000, 22 September 2017 - 03:01 AM.

[Admiral-Dan]

adamts01, on 21 September 2017 - 11:42 AM, said:

It would be good for the community and also a real show of talent if everyone would show how well they could do in the worst chassis out there.

That would be bad for PGIs business model. Mechs are normally OP when they get released for cash and get nerfed when they get released for C-Bills. Promoting non cash only mechs decreases the income of PGI.

[Vxheous]

D VA, on 22 September 2017 - 12:57 AM, said:

Sorry for inconvenience but... cause, nobody runs GHR-5H with 3xLPL + some ERML's nowadays any more))) Especially I'm, since I'm... I do 2xHPPC+5ML's. And you kid and your fangirls don't even got an idea why this build is supperior to 3xLPLs...

Your 30 PPFLD + 25 damage from mediums is still.....pretty meta. On high mounts with a mech that has JJ and heat gen/armor quirks no less. I mean the overall heat's not great, Warhammer 6R with dual gauss + 4ERML would be overall better, but your build's not some hidden gem like you make it to be.

Edited by Vxheous, 22 September 2017 - 06:25 AM.

[Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood]

Mfw people don't even know they're running the meta here anymore, then flaunt about how they don't run the meta while simultaneously acting like they have an understanding of the meta. I need to just go ahead and join a large competitive unit and move to their forums or something.

[Rakshasa]

Shifty McSwift, on 21 September 2017 - 05:22 PM, said:

So yeah we are left with a pool of mechs that are the "best" at certain roles, why should a player be rewarded less for taking optimal choices?

They generally do better than non-optimal builds, so they're already being "rewarded" with better scores, more kills and more C-Bills.

I quite like the OP's idea. It adds a tangible reason to drop in mechs the balance passes haven't got around to yet (or that have suffered badly from them), and maybe inject some more diversity into QP as a knock-on effect. No-one's expecting people to take less than "the best" for top-tier competitive play, but in the Underhive it could be pretty fun

[Lily from animove]

D VA, on 22 September 2017 - 12:57 AM, said:

Sorry for inconvenience but... cause, nobody runs GHR-5H with 3xLPL + some ERML's nowadays any more))) Especially I'm, since I'm... I do 2xHPPC+5ML's. And you kid and your fangirls don't even got an idea why this build is supperior to 3xLPLs...

wow, 2 HPPC's ar epretty garbage to be honest, simply because of a not very good heatefficiency. thats why you better use the lpl's than those HPPC's sure theres less range but then also no 90m deadspot.

Dakota1000, on 22 September 2017 - 04:57 AM, said:

Mfw people don't even know they're running the meta here anymore, then flaunt about how they don't run the meta while simultaneously acting like they have an understanding of the meta. I need to just go ahead and join a large competitive unit and move to their forums or something.

bring a BIG soft pillow for your desk because the face-->desk moments will be painful.

Edited by Lily from animove, 22 September 2017 - 05:37 AM.