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[justcallme A S H]

naterist, on 24 September 2017 - 07:34 PM, said:

Thats my night, every night, however i do feel bad about having to strongarm people into going meta, and many who could, and i personally know many people who get turned off by it. In the end, people play the game to get an escape, theres very few people here to work at it like a second job, and in a mode scrambling for players, you need to accomadate what you can get, because this is the units playground were units dont really run into each other much.

It wasn't about META. Hell bring ANY mech you want. It doesn't matter so much to me. It was more about bringing loadouts to the maps. Several people had Med lasers... On Alpine. You need LL, ERL, Gauss - hell, dare I say it, LRMs - all are better than builds with a bunch of Med lasers.

I mean take a certain individual from JGx, who is well known shooting so far away he deals 1 damage each alpha - shooting said Med lasers @ 600m and doing 0 damage but building up a buttload of heat (How he got let in that unit is still a puzzle to me/a lot of us lol, I thought they had standards ).

But after that it was smooth sailing. Everyone had a good night big damage or low damage, plenty picked up and learnt a few things. That is all you can ask for.

Edited by justcallme A S H, 24 September 2017 - 07:43 PM.

[MischiefSC]

I realize that actually clicking on the command chair heading and clicking the 'back a page' button one time, to actually get to the posts about CW, is an insane amount of effort. Almost like grouping up. As such is just way beyond the scope of most peoples ability to change and develop and improve.

So I did it for you.

For anyone who actually wants to know what the **** they're talking about.

https://mwomercs.com...er__all__st__30

That's just a tiny taste. However it points out what CW was promised as vs delivered.

[Marquis De Lafayette]

naterist, on 24 September 2017 - 07:34 PM, said:

Thats my night, every night, however i do feel bad about having to strongarm people into going meta, and many who could, and i personally know many people who get turned off by it. In the end, people play the game to get an escape, theres very few people here to work at it like a second job, and in a mode scrambling for players, you need to accomadate what you can get, because this is the units playground were units dont really run into each other much.

With the QP event on this week the drops I am personally getting the past few days are only really against IS-side units. Last 7 matches were against 5 games where we were against 10-12 mans and 2 games vs 6 mans.....we only had 5-7 mans (an 11 man one time) and has been tough, fun fights (went 4-3). I don't expect it to last, but I have enjoyed it.

[Alteran]

Sorry Nat, what CW/FW/FP has become is what PGI has turned it into and is PGI's fault alone, not the players.

Do not look at units or entire factions within CW/FW/FP now, because this could have all been avoided if PGI had followed through with their initial vision that they sold the first three Clan Packs and first IS Resistance Pack on. Instead of an unlimited number of Battlemechs or Omni's defending/attacking a planet, we should have had a Cluster or two for Clans and perhaps a few Companies for IS.

Getting Stomped by one side or the other is just a by-product of the crap design that we have to put up with now... well make that those that still play the PGI made game mode.

I've finally given up. I'm logging in and playing the odd event weekend, but I'm done. I actually don't even care what faction that I belong to now.

The death of this game mode lays at the feet of PGI and their management team, not the player base. Russ, stand up and take accountability for what we've got now.

Hell, MW5 will have more logistics and depth than CW/FP/FW has ever had. Then again, that's why I won't believe it till I see it released and in the players hands for a few months.

[Kill Chain]

justcallme A S H, on 24 September 2017 - 06:35 PM, said:

I did that many ghost drops as IS the past week I gave up trying to drop. The red herring you refer to doesn't really exist because there are many factors at play. I can only guess you are new and don't understand the mode and population fully yet.

That said if you're losing - I know why - You do what Jeremiah does...

Yeah that's it, I must be new, never played games before and certainly never had an alternate account that I decided to remake into this one. Don't listen to someone whose been gaming since the 90s, what does he know.

[Carl Vickers]

Kill Chain, on 26 September 2017 - 03:24 PM, said:

Yeah that's it, I must be new, never played games before and certainly never had an alternate account that I decided to remake into this one. Don't listen to someone whose been gaming since the 90s, what does he know.

Lol, you could be gaming since the 60s and still be clueless. Also, the 'I have an alt account' thing has been tried on by many people trying to justify various things. Guess what, no one believes it.

Edited by Carl Vickers, 26 September 2017 - 03:33 PM.

[Kill Chain]

Carl Vickers, on 26 September 2017 - 03:30 PM, said:

Lol, you could be gaming since the 60s and still be clueless. Also, the I have an alt account thing has been tried on by many people trying to justify various things. Guess what, no one believes it.

*shrugs* That's nice. Enjoy your ghost drops.

Edited by Kill Chain, 26 September 2017 - 03:34 PM.

[justcallme A S H]

Kill Chain, on 26 September 2017 - 03:24 PM, said:

Yeah that's it, I must be new, never played games before and certainly never had an alternate account that I decided to remake into this one. Don't listen to someone whose been gaming since the 90s, what does he know.

You've played a grand total of 58 matches since this season started. That is not really a great deal.

That is why you are losing. As per the below:




The builds you run, like this, are not going to be very competitive in Faction Play as they are not very well optimised. If you want some advice on builds I am happy to help you. Even if you've been gaming since the 90s, never to late to learn something. If not that's cool.

[Kill Chain]

justcallme A S H, on 26 September 2017 - 06:27 PM, said:

You've played a grand total of 58 matches since this season started. That is not really a great deal.

That is why you are losing. As per the below:




The builds you run, like this, are not going to be very competitive in Faction Play as they are not very well optimised. If you want some advice on builds I am happy to help you. Even if you've been gaming since the 90s, never to late to learn something. If not that's cool.

LOL the build(s) I run based off one screenshot of one mech that I barely play. Yeah you suuure got me there. I notice you crop the current score from that match. I wonder if we we're winning despite your intimation above. Also I've changed that mech since and I do just fine with it. Regardless this is a red herring that has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Just trying to move the goalposts on me as I keep seeing certain people do on these boards.

Edited by Kill Chain, 26 September 2017 - 08:20 PM.

[justcallme A S H]

Kill Chain, on 26 September 2017 - 08:15 PM, said:

LOL the build(s) I run based off one screenshot of one mech that I barely play. Yeah you suuure got me there. I notice you crop the current score from that match. I wonder if we we're winning despite your intimation above. Also I've changed that mech since and I do just fine with it. Regardless this is a red herring that has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Just trying to move the goalposts on me as I keep seeing certain people do on these boards.

It was 7-4, early in the game (my sides way, obviously), don't try and deflect from your obviously bad choice. You can say "oh i barely play it" or any other excuse really. You are either bringing proper builds all the time, or you aren't. If you were doing just fine your - WLR / KDR - 0.78 / 0.72 - would be greatly improved.

It's clear you don't understand the mode. It is also clear you do not know what a competitive build is. In a discussion about Faction Play, those two things are of paramount importance if you want to be competitive in the game. To lose more than you win and to die more than you kill, shows clear inefficiencies for someone with "15yrs of gaming experience".

This is the problem with a lot of people that play MWO. They *think* they are good when the reality is a stark contrast to that point.

Again, if you want help just let me know. I do lots of training for people, happily take people on drops etc etc.

Edited by justcallme A S H, 26 September 2017 - 08:57 PM.

[MischiefSC]

Side note -

There's always more to learn. Always. No shame in that at all, it's how people improve. Nobody learns to drive by reinventing the wheel, the combustion engine and the automobile from scratch. You learn by someone who knows teaching you.

[Kill Chain]

justcallme A S H, on 26 September 2017 - 08:56 PM, said:

It was 7-4, early in the game (my sides way, obviously), don't try and deflect from your obviously bad choice. You can say "oh i barely play it" or any other excuse really. You are either bringing proper builds all the time, or you aren't. If you were doing just fine your - WLR / KDR - 0.78 / 0.72 - would be greatly improved.

It's clear you don't understand the mode. It is also clear you do not know what a competitive build is. In a discussion about Faction Play, those two things are of paramount importance if you want to be competitive in the game. To lose more than you win and to die more than you kill, shows clear inefficiencies for someone with "15yrs of gaming experience".

This is the problem with a lot of people that play MWO. They *think* they are good when the reality is a stark contrast to that point.

Again, if you want help just let me know. I do lots of training for people, happily take people on drops etc etc.

I mean I'm ranked higher than you on the QP leaderboards overall though your k/d ratio is nicer than mine (I like light mechs). At one point I was top 500 in light mechs until Hurricane Irma put a damper on things. Does that mean I know more than you about QP or light mechs? No it doesn't. Does someone with a better FW rating than you get to tell you that you don't know anything about FW? No they don't.

Now I ask you, what does any of my performance in one match have to do with faction population balance and low participation by the community? You say I'm deflecting but you're the one changing the subject from the point of this thread. Talk about a non-sequitur lol.

Edited by Kill Chain, 27 September 2017 - 05:06 AM.

[Marquis De Lafayette]

Kill..

Ash can give you his own reasons for saying what he said...however, in general the reason why statistics get checked is to see.

1. Does a player have a sufficient sample size of matches to be able to be able to have a firm grasp of FW (and all the things that happen here and the history of what has happened). For example: Clans haven't dominated all of Civil War...the IS dominanted the first couple of weeks. Thus a player who hasn't played a ton might not have been active during that time and have a false impression of the reasons for Clan dominance. Or like this week, a lot of the matches that are happening team vs. team (Clan teams are looking for...not dodging. MS, 420, HHOD and the like who are all IS...to get drops against)....otherwise they are ghosting as pugs seem scarce on both sides in the NA timeszones at least. So, big Clan teams aren't dodging anyone and a lot of games are team v team action this week. If you aren't getting enough matches, you might not know who is and why they can get them.

Just some examples

2. All veteran players know what it's like to be bad in FW....to get stomped by teams...to get dz farmed...we have all started there and when we decide to solo pug we can still experience the stomps as our team crumbles. However, new or bad players don't know what it's like to be good or "decent enough" in this mode. What drives good performance personally or in units (thus FW leaderboards get checked on occasion). So, a not so good player have a one sided perspective (of what losing mostly or dying mostly looks like and the reasons for it) and are really guessing at why good players and teams succeed (and play) the way they do. Successful players have seen both sides and while it doesn't make them necessarily correct, they at least know both sides.

Personally I am far worse at QP than at FW...this last QP event when someone called a push...I pushed....trusting my teammates...silly me...forgot that calling a push in QP means they were calling for someone else to take the hits so they could poke and get free damage in. My bad...in FW my team would have pushed, so I forgot how that worked and got smoked. Man, I am seriously not as good at this QP thing. Don't take my opinions on QP as from one who "gets QP".. I not the worst but I obviously don't get that mode as well as many do....you probably are more of an authority on that mode than I am..

Oh...I would Take Ash up on his offer to drop with him...it will be a far better experience than most of what you have to be experiencing right now in FW and will help you (even if you don't change your opinions)

Edited by Marquis De Lafayette, 27 September 2017 - 06:23 AM.

[justcallme A S H]

Kill Chain, on 27 September 2017 - 04:43 AM, said:

I mean I'm ranked higher than you on the QP leaderboards overall though your k/d ratio is nicer than mine (I like light mechs). At one point I was top 500 in light mechs until Hurricane Irma put a damper on things. Does that mean I know more than you about QP or light mechs? No it doesn't. Does someone with a better FW rating than you get to tell you that you don't know anything about FW? No they don't.

Now I ask you, what does any of my performance in one match have to do with faction population balance and low participation by the community? You say I'm deflecting but you're the one changing the subject from the point of this thread. Talk about a non-sequitur lol.

You're ranked higher because you've played more games. Nothing amazing about that for people that live in the QP queue.

You refer to one match - Yet I refer to your overall numbers in FP. What matters more? The fact you contribute very little to your team, that's what.

You need to, clearly, improve your builds and the way you play. You will then stop complaining about 12mans (which are a rarity) because by contributing more you will win more.

[Kill Chain]

I see the non-sequiturs live and the point is ignored. Enjoy the hill you've chosen to die on.

Edited by Kill Chain, 27 September 2017 - 03:37 PM.

[Kill Chain]

Yeah yeah another variation of "git gud". You win lol (not really).

[justcallme A S H]

Less bad PUGs that refuse to work as a team, bring proper builds that I (and my teams) have to carry, the better.

That said plenty of PUGs are good. They listen, learn, improve over time. I tip my hat to those players.

[Leggin Ho]

Learning is hard............

[naterist]

Leggin Ho, on 27 September 2017 - 03:43 PM, said:

Learning is hard............

If you repeat yourself a bunch, your statements dont automatically become relevant.

Edited by naterist, 27 September 2017 - 03:53 PM.

[naterist]

Carl Vickers, on 27 September 2017 - 03:54 PM, said:

Lol, pot meet kettle, at least in his case he is quoting truth, you just spout nonsense you think is the truth.

Disprove my points then. Oh, you cant.