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[Ghogiel]

My fav snowflake atm is my HGN IIC-C with dual UAC10 HLL @ 698.5 avg dmg

My highest is still my KDK3,only ran it with quad UAC10/gauss peep. Beats my MADIIC and MC2s.

[Lukoi Banacek]

Muuuust resist urge to purchase HGNnnnnnnnnnnnn.

[Christophe Ivanov]

my advice would be to start with a particular mech, try it out just for what type of weapons you like? Laser? Ballistic? Missile? A combo of them? Once you figured out which type of weapons, you want to use, look for a mech that meets that type of build. Clan chassis tend t have Omni pods which let you change the weapon types. But some Inner Sphere ones are good too, so discount them out.

Once you got that mech, play around on the lab to optimize it the best balance you are looking for. How much armor you want? More firepower? Or you want a balance on them both. What about AMS? ECM? Heat management and all that.

Once you got a configuration, TEST it out in the test map selections. Select more than one map. I tend to select a hot map so I can check the heat management of my mech. Adjust your selections as needed until you are satisfied wit your build and then head off to a QP match for some real testing.

Don't get frustrated if you lose ad get killed outright. Takes time to get proficient in a new mech, let alone a new configuration. As much as I have played, anytime I change something, I always test that new change.

Then PRACTICE and more PRACTICE to get gud.

My Assault Dire Wolf Prime is setup as:

2XLarge Pulse Lasers, 4XMedium Pulse Lasers, as much double heat sinks as possible, then max out your armor. Setup your skills to maximize the heat management, laser output, etc. Don't forget it gets better when you Master the mech in the skill tree.

I should note, my DW Prime has permanent jets, which come in handy getting over some bumps and hills that are a bit steep for a assault. If you don't want jets, then select a different variant.

Lastly, this mech is NOT for everyone! It takes a certain type of pilot to man this one. One who is patient, plans ahead, has good situational awareness in the battlefield and knows where to be at all the time to keep yourself out to trouble.

Good luck!

Edited by Christophe Ivanov, 03 October 2017 - 05:39 PM.

[AzureRathalos]

Strangely, my highest damage per match mech is something I made for amusement and I never expected it to work:

Supernova A "The Bank"
4 ATM12, 3 SPL, 1 TAG

144 homing missile damage between 120-270m. The SPLs are backup if something gets too close and work surprisingly well to finish off things that have charged through a volley of bank machines. Average damage per match is currently 552.

[Zoan]

600 avg damage per match in a dire wolf-UV, 16 pt alpha (8 ac2 build). Low game count though.

Only mech with truly high play count and a good avg:
Nova- 423.65. 10 er smalls and 4 mg's (it has been the same build since clan launch). I do not alpha the smalls, I fire 5, then the other 5, for 2 35 pt hits.

[Mcgral18]

Hm...current highest is ... 1722 with a Helbie...with 18 minutes played and one match...
Why are CW stats being counted?


That anomaly aside, KDK3 with various builds at 821 (Quad UAC10 being the largest pool, glorious as it was, then PokeBear)
So, between 40 and 50/60

Mad IIC (just IIC) at 810 and 143 matches
That was pure Vomit, mostly 6 EMRL 2 LPL (now 6 ERML 2 HLL), so mostly 68 (pre nerf) or 78

The actual Hellbie Prime has 610 Avg Dam and 238 matches
That was the lowest alpha, at 42, with 6 ERMLs most of the time (and 29 DHS)

Lukoi Banacek, on 03 October 2017 - 10:48 AM, said:

Muuuust resist urge to purchase HGNnnnnnnnnnnnn.

Would you like an Assault robot with the agility of a 50 ton Medium mech?

[jss78]

Turns out to be ... wait for it...

St. Ives Blues

... with a grand total of 2 matches played. 583 average damage.

With 'mechs with anything resembling a meaningful sample of games, best is Sparky, 498 average damage.

[Lukoi Banacek]

Mcgral18, on 03 October 2017 - 12:27 PM, said:

Would you like an Assault robot with the agility of a 50 ton Medium mech?

Can I get it in an overpriced mechpack?!

[Mcgral18]

Lukoi Banacek, on 03 October 2017 - 01:26 PM, said:

Can I get it in an overpriced mechpack?!

Ah, but remember!
As a 12-23 Finalist in MWOWC, you get a FREE COLLECTORS GRABDEAL!

Of your choice
And 8k MC
That's darn generous

[AzureRathalos]

Mcgral18, on 03 October 2017 - 12:27 PM, said:

Would you like an Assault robot with the agility of a 50 ton Medium mech?

No. I would like a Locust with MASC and Jump Jets pointed backwards. I want to go so fast that I'll self destruct if I have a head-on collision.

[Lukoi Banacek]

Mcgral18, on 03 October 2017 - 01:29 PM, said:

Ah, but remember!
As a 12-23 Finalist in MWOWC, you get a FREE COLLECTORS GRABDEAL!

Of your choice
And 8k MC
That's darn generous

Ah well I will use that for a MK2 then? Idk,these days.

[justcallme A S H]

UnofficialOperator, on 03 October 2017 - 05:26 AM, said:

Just curious to find out whether the size of alpha has any impact on average damage. Could you guys share what is your highest average damage, the mech used & the alpha of the mech? Would be good if it has at least 100 matches played. (average damage is total damage done/total matches if you don't use madstats addon)

Mine is 628 average damage with the MAD IIC and a 42 damage alpha.

Edit: Could you guys also include your opinion on low alpha/high alpha vs heat control vs dps over time etc?

BLR-2C / 5 LPL - 892dmg (since potato LPL dmg nerf, forget it, I haven't used it once cause it's now junk)

BLR-1G / 6 ERL - 917dmg - 55pt

EBJ / 2LPL, 6cERML - 871dmg - 66pt (was 68pt)

HBR / 4ERL - 914dmg

And the lulz...

Deathstrike / Gauss, 6cERML - 1258dmg - 72pt (I have not used this mech once in FP either btw)


Bigger the alpha, the better.

Edited by justcallme A S H, 03 October 2017 - 01:47 PM.

[Athom83]

Lukoi Banacek, on 03 October 2017 - 10:48 AM, said:

Muuuust resist urge to purchase HGNnnnnnnnnnnnn.

[panzer1b]

I dont have any good stats for you since i swap loadouts out very often and with the exception of my hellbringer, i dont keep multiple copies of the same mech around (4 owned total, 2 gauss 1 laser boat, 1 sniper, swap them around as needed depending on map and team comp).

Anyways, while this is all speculation (no numbers to back it up), i get the most consistent results running somewhere around 1.2 heat management in game. I might not have quite as much alfa strike to outtrade aids-vomit, or the deathstrike 94 alfa crap, but i have teh advantage that my alfa strike is still going to be decently high on clan side at least (~50 for mediums, ~60 for heavys, ~80 for assaults), and i have enough sustained DPS to sustain 2-3 alfa strikes before i melt on average heat maps. This is ofc for solo QP gameplay, where being able to do more damage during a single exposure beats sustained firepower more often then not since its rare to see agressive pushes such that the enemy walks over you, and the ability to keep shooting is super situational.

For FW its quite different though, and there i prefer to have ~1.3-1.4 heat management and a bit more sustain rather that raw alfa strike. Most of the time, the game ends up with agressive pushes (either going for gens or just a deathball), so the ability to do more damage before you need to throttle your fire down ends up as a critical concern especially if your build is using high heat weapons like lasers. That said, even here, i consider 50 alfa strike the bare minimum on a heavy mech, and ~60 or so for assaults (counting double tapped uacs ofc) since you are still going to get situations where you only get one good shot on target, and the more damage you deal to them in that one shot the better off you are.

.As for specific builds ive had luck with, my primary QP builds mix gauss, ERML, and HLLs in some manner to achieve decent heat management all while throwing boatloads of damage downstream in a single shot. A few specific mechs i play are the HBR (my fav mech in game atm, QP build is GR+4ERML+1HLL, FW build is GR+5ERML), TBR/EBJ (same builds but ebon has 1 less DHS, both run GR+5ERML+1HLL for QP or GR+6ERML for FW), WHM (2GR+4ERML), SCR (6ERML+1ERLL, id have used HLL but cant fit it due to slot issue), SHC (2HLL1ERML), ect.

Pretty much, unless the mech has some really really low pod space like the linebacker or so, i follow the following rule for mechs:

light: 30 min alfa
medium: 40min alfa
heavy: 50min alfa
assault: 60min alfa

On clan you can easily add 10 points to everything but light mechs and still get decent heat management. And generally speaking, 1.1 is about the bare minimum heat management id consider viable in solo play, and ~1.2 is best for general purpose, 1.3-1.4 for sustained fighters and brawlers that use all the guns simultaneously.

[ocular tb]

Dragon-1N with an average of ~593 over 205 matches with 2x ML and 2x AC5 (alpha of 20). This was done back when this mech was over-quirked with ballistic cooldown and 2x AC5s was enough to make a Dire Wolf blush. Since then my current best is the Adder with 5x MPL (alpha of 35) and an average damage of ~546 over 700 matches.

[Fox With A Shotgun]

I think the answer varies depending on the playstyle of the mech. The overall damage output of a mech, I think, is a function of both alpha strike size and the overall cooling power of a mech. You can have a Direstar with monstrous alpha strike, but if it can only alpha once every 30 seconds, it's going to have really bad damage output by the end of the game. Conversely, a small alpha strike with really high cooling power (or simply a lack of heat, e.g. MLX with 8 MGs) tends to not get high damage when you have to facetime all the time.

My highest performing mech is my KFX-Purifier, with a 60 alpha (6 HML, 17 DHS). It's sitting at 535 average damage per match. Oddly enough, my KFX-Prime sits at 495 with only a 30 alpha (20 + 10 splash from 2 ERPPCs). Minor difference given the huge difference in DPH and alpha size, but can be explained by the fact that ERPPCs can start dealing damage close to the start of the match, while the 6 HML build needs to wait for the heavies to engage first.

Edited by Fox With A Shotgun, 03 October 2017 - 04:54 PM.

[Judah Malganis]

MCII-4 - LRM 80 and 4 ER Med Lasers... 677.9 dmg.

NonLRM it's MCII-2 - 2 UAC10, 4 ASRM6s and 2 HMLs... 492.3 dmg.

Edit: Changed nonLRM mech.

Edited by Judah Malganis, 04 October 2017 - 02:40 PM.

[UnofficialOperator]

Guys, when you look through the posts, any commonality stands out?

Seems to be really dependent on playstyle. Pretty wide mix of alphas.

[justcallme A S H]

Well it depends on the weapons as well.

A 20pt UAC/AC or something can still be worked to crank out damage no drama.

Hell even a 3LPL build on a Dragon can boss-level no drama. Comes down to the player, mostly.

Edited by justcallme A S H, 03 October 2017 - 05:36 PM.

[Y E O N N E]

My highest is the MAL-MX90 with 567 damage using a 25-point alpha from 3x AC/5 + 2x UAC/5. But that's only 12 matches.

Filtering for > 100 matches, my highest is the MLX-ED with 449 damage using a 30-point alpha and 6x standard MGs...mostly. That's 148 games.