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[Gas Guzzler]

Yeonne Greene, on 11 October 2017 - 04:47 PM, said:

Not quite what I mean by drain. I meant the game itself, not the potential 'Mech offerings.

I intend to make one upgrade to get the Loyalty Victor. From there on out, they have to actually start giving us actually good IS 'Mechs to get my money. I've got all the Clan meta thingies, new Clan meta thingies are just like the old ones so it's just boring.

Right but I meant that with all those popular offerings remaining, that means the game can keep going for a while.

And I agree, would like to get some IS meta thingies, but they need to do more than just give us an IS-Metanator...

[Bombast]

Nightbird, on 11 October 2017 - 04:47 PM, said:

It's only manufactured on the clan worlds though, but w/e lost cause anyways

I'm pretty sure that the closest-to-this-date production line was for the Dragoons only. In anycase, all it's variants use IS tech. Wouldn't make sense to make it a 'Clan' mech, what with it's IS construction materials and weapons.

[Y E O N N E]

Gas Guzzler, on 11 October 2017 - 04:49 PM, said:

Right but I meant that with all those popular offerings remaining, that means the game can keep going for a while.

And I agree, would like to get some IS meta thingies, but they need to do more than just give us an IS-Metanator...

Having 'Mechs people want only helps it keep going if people actually pay for them, though. PGI releasing/revealing back-to-back-to-back Clan 'Mechs that are not only very popular, but also extremely meta, is something of a red flag to me. Could be totally unwarranted, but...eh.

Agreed on needing more than an IS Metanator. Omnis are interesting because of the restrictions and the MechLab puzzle they present and that could hold for a bit, but the gameplay needs some sprucing up via balance improvements, game mode improvements, maps, etc.

[Gas Guzzler]

Yeonne Greene, on 11 October 2017 - 04:59 PM, said:

back-to-back-to-back Clan 'Mechs that are not only very popular, but also extremely meta

Which ones? MCII/Nova Cat/Piranha? Piranha is a light, so... whatever. Nova Cat will be good, but analysis shows it will probably fall short of the Night Gyr by a hair. And MCII, yeah that one is good. But before that, was the SNV right? That wasn't meta at first...

[LT. HARDCASE]

Vapor Eagle.

[Y E O N N E]

Gas Guzzler, on 11 October 2017 - 05:02 PM, said:

Which ones? MCII/Nova Cat/Piranha? Piranha is a light, so... whatever. Nova Cat will be good, but analysis shows it will probably fall short of the Night Gyr by a hair. And MCII, yeah that one is good. But before that, was the SNV right? That wasn't meta at first...

1. Marauder IIC - 'nuff said.
2. Supernova - was always meta, just not legal and nobody really paid it much attention; MAD-IIC nerfs and cERLL buffs helped a little.
3. Mad Cat Mk. II - 'nuff said.
4. Nova Cat - because we need another top-rate laser boat on the Clan side; falls short of the NTG, but the NTG is a tough act.
5. Piranha - might be just a Light, but Lights are not as bad off as people make out when placed into skilled hands and they still carry the games even in comp...remember, even the MLX is meta now; they are enough of a threat that they even influence early game trades through presence if not through firepower.
6. Arctic Wolf - Clan Assassin, potentially

IS got...the Annihilator, which is surprisingly competent through sheer hitpoints, and the Nightstar...which is just cool-looking but otherwise only a match for the BNC/BLR/MAL at best. Assassin was crap until it got more quirks, Wolfhound was crap until it got more quirks, Javelin is a decent replacement for what the Oxide used to be.

[chucklesMuch]

Tarogato, on 11 October 2017 - 04:23 PM, said:

Thankfully, I already theorycrafted that one, too. =D

Forgive me if I don't take the time to format this a little better...

VPE-1
Weapons	DHS	JJs	Special	Toggles	Engine	Speed
1x cHLL + 3x cERML + 4x cLMG (2.0ton)	19	1	-	cEndo + cFerro	cXL355	104.6
4x cMPL + 4x cLMG (1.5ton)	16	1	-	cEndo + cFerro	cXL370	109.0
2x cHLL + 2x cERML	20	1	-	cEndo + cFerro	cXL350	103.1
2x cERPPC	20	3	TC2	cEndo + cFerro	cXL325	95.7
4x cUAC2 (8.0ton)	12	1	all left-mounted	cEndo + cFerro	cXL265	78.1
2x cLB10 (4.0ton) + 4x cERSL	11	1	-	cEndo + cFerro	cXL295	86.9
1x cGauss (2.0ton) + 1x cHLL + 3x cERML	17	1	-	cEndo + cFerro	cXL285	83.9
1x cUAC10 (3.0ton) + 4x cMPL	17	1	-	cEndo + cFerro	cXL285	83.9
1x cUAC20 (4.0ton) + 4x cERML	18	1	-	cEndo + cFerro	cXL285	83.9
1x cATM12 (5.0ton) + 4x cERSL	17	1	-	cEndo + cFerro	cXL300	88.4
2x cSRM6a (2.0ton) + 4x cMPL	19	1	-	cEndo + cFerro	cXL325	95.7
2x cSRM6a (2.5ton) + 4x cERSL + 4x cLMG (2.0ton)	16	1	-	cEndo + cFerro	cXL360	106.0

VPE-2
Weapons	DHS	JJs	Special	Toggles	Engine	Speed
2x cHLL + 5x cLMG (3.0ton)	17	6	-	cEndo + cFerro	cXL340	100.1
2x UAC5 (4.0ton) + 2x UAC2 (3.0ton)	10	1	all left-mounted	cEndo + cFerro	cXL255	75.1
---- following builds assume hardpoint inflation: ----
4x cMPL + 6x cLMG (3.0ton)	16	4	-	cEndo + cFerro	cXL350	103.1

VPE-3
Weapons	DHS	JJs	Special	Toggles	Engine	Speed
3x cSRM6a (4.0ton) + 4x cERML	19	1	-	cEndo + cFerro	cXL315	92.8
2x cATM3 + 1x cATM9 (4.0ton) + 4x cERML	18	1	-	cEndo + cFerro	cXL315	92.8
---- following builds assume hardpoint inflation: ----
4x cSRM6a (5.0ton) + 4x cERSL	16	1	-	cEndo + cFerro	cXL330	97.2

VPE-4
Weapons	DHS	JJs	Special	Toggles	Engine	Speed
2x cHLL + 5x cERML	22	1	-	cEndo	cXL300	88.4
2x cSRM6a (3.0ton) + 6x cERSL	15	1	-	cEndo + cFerro	cXL375	110.5
2x cSRM4 (2.5ton) + 6x cMPL	20	1	-	cEndo + cFerro	cXL300	88.4
2x cATM9 (5.0ton) + 6x cERSL	18	1	-	cEndo	cXL285	83.9

Cool thanks!

Definitely liking the look of his mech

[LT. HARDCASE]

Yeonne Greene, on 11 October 2017 - 05:18 PM, said:

1. Marauder IIC - 'nuff said.
2. Supernova - was always meta, just not legal and nobody really paid it much attention; MAD-IIC nerfs and cERLL buffs helped a little.
3. Mad Cat Mk. II - 'nuff said.
4. Nova Cat - because we need another top-rate laser boat on the Clan side; falls short of the NTG, but the NTG is a tough act.
5. Piranha - might be just a Light, but Lights are not as bad off as people make out when placed into skilled hands and they still carry the games even in comp...remember, even the MLX is meta now; they are enough of a threat that they even influence early game trades through presence if not through firepower.
6. Arctic Wolf - Clan Assassin, potentially

IS got...the Annihilator, which is surprisingly competent through sheer hitpoints, and the Nightstar...which is just cool-looking but otherwise only a match for the BNC/BLR/MAL at best. Assassin was crap until it got more quirks, Wolfhound was crap until it got more quirks, Javelin is a decent replacement for what the Oxide used to be.

The IS side could indeed use a good mech release badly

The Arctic Wolf and Nova Cat vs the Hellspawn and Thanatos? Yeesh.

Edited by LT. HARDCASE, 11 October 2017 - 06:09 PM.

[Y E O N N E]

LT. HARDCASE, on 11 October 2017 - 06:09 PM, said:

The IS side could indeed use a good mech release badly

The Arctic Wolf and Nova Cat vs the Hellspawn and Thanatos? Yeesh.

A 'Mech would be good, a 'Mech accompanied by tweaks to the current mechanics (e.g. increase of IS ML/ERML ghost to 8, improvements to IS heat management) would be better.

[Gas Guzzler]

Yeonne Greene, on 11 October 2017 - 05:18 PM, said:

1. Marauder IIC - 'nuff said.
2. Supernova - was always meta, just not legal and nobody really paid it much attention; MAD-IIC nerfs and cERLL buffs helped a little.
3. Mad Cat Mk. II - 'nuff said.
4. Nova Cat - because we need another top-rate laser boat on the Clan side; falls short of the NTG, but the NTG is a tough act.
5. Piranha - might be just a Light, but Lights are not as bad off as people make out when placed into skilled hands and they still carry the games even in comp...remember, even the MLX is meta now; they are enough of a threat that they even influence early game trades through presence if not through firepower.
6. Arctic Wolf - Clan Assassin, potentially

IS got...the Annihilator, which is surprisingly competent through sheer hitpoints, and the Nightstar...which is just cool-looking but otherwise only a match for the BNC/BLR/MAL at best. Assassin was crap until it got more quirks, Wolfhound was crap until it got more quirks, Javelin is a decent replacement for what the Oxide used to be.

Hm... fair enough.

[Jay Leon Hart]

Mark Nicholson, on 11 October 2017 - 04:09 PM, said:

...the rules don't say I can't vote.

Hence the amended " *OR* whenever PGI announces it early" for closing date

I see you, sneaky!

[Jay Leon Hart]

Nightbird, on 11 October 2017 - 04:29 PM, said:

Is it too much to hope for the Hoplite? It's 55 tons and manufactured on the clan homeworlds. It looks like an urbie that got bopped in the head by an Atlas, so cute.

Bombast, on 11 October 2017 - 04:38 PM, said:

That's an Inner Sphere (Star League) mech. If it was released, it would be released for them.

Nightbird, on 11 October 2017 - 04:47 PM, said:

It's only manufactured on the clan worlds though, but w/e lost cause anyways

Bombast, on 11 October 2017 - 04:55 PM, said:

I'm pretty sure that the closest-to-this-date production line was for the Dragoons only. In anycase, all it's variants use IS tech. Wouldn't make sense to make it a 'Clan' mech, what with it's IS construction materials and weapons.

Well I'm adding it anyway, wouldn't want to be accused of rigging my own competition

[CycKath]

Battle Cobra.

Because one step closer to mass dunking in the Devil's Bath and they come out Inner Sphere

[Bombast]

Jay Leon Hart, on 12 October 2017 - 02:59 AM, said:

Well I'm adding it anyway, wouldn't want to be accused of rigging my own competition

People would be absolutely livid if the Clan medium month turned out to be an IS month. I don't think anyone at PGI is that dumb. But ok.

Still 6 'Auto-Win' mechs for people to choose!

Pinion
Ursus
Clint IIC
Corvis
Mercury II
Stag

[DRlFTER]

Black Lanner all the way. Thanks for the fun.

[Darrious Quinn]

If this is still a valid thread and offer?

I think I'll go with the Mongrel on this one.

Personal preference says something else to be honest, but got a feeling about he old dog.

[Jay Leon Hart]

Darrious Quinn, on 12 October 2017 - 09:28 AM, said:

If this is still a valid thread and offer?

Yep, until either of the closing date conditions are met

[Jackal Noble]

DRlFTER, on 12 October 2017 - 08:34 AM, said:

Black Lanner all the way. Thanks for the fun.

Vapor Eagle is very disappointed at you Drift

[Jackal Noble]

Tarogato, on 11 October 2017 - 04:23 PM, said:

Thankfully, I already theorycrafted that one, too. =D

Forgive me if I don't take the time to format this a little better...

VPE-1
Weapons	DHS	JJs	Special	Toggles	Engine	Speed
1x cHLL + 3x cERML + 4x cLMG (2.0ton)	19	1	-	cEndo + cFerro	cXL355	104.6
4x cMPL + 4x cLMG (1.5ton)	16	1	-	cEndo + cFerro	cXL370	109.0
2x cHLL + 2x cERML	20	1	-	cEndo + cFerro	cXL350	103.1
2x cERPPC	20	3	TC2	cEndo + cFerro	cXL325	95.7
4x cUAC2 (8.0ton)	12	1	all left-mounted	cEndo + cFerro	cXL265	78.1
2x cLB10 (4.0ton) + 4x cERSL	11	1	-	cEndo + cFerro	cXL295	86.9
1x cGauss (2.0ton) + 1x cHLL + 3x cERML	17	1	-	cEndo + cFerro	cXL285	83.9
1x cUAC10 (3.0ton) + 4x cMPL	17	1	-	cEndo + cFerro	cXL285	83.9
1x cUAC20 (4.0ton) + 4x cERML	18	1	-	cEndo + cFerro	cXL285	83.9
1x cATM12 (5.0ton) + 4x cERSL	17	1	-	cEndo + cFerro	cXL300	88.4
2x cSRM6a (2.0ton) + 4x cMPL	19	1	-	cEndo + cFerro	cXL325	95.7
2x cSRM6a (2.5ton) + 4x cERSL + 4x cLMG (2.0ton)	16	1	-	cEndo + cFerro	cXL360	106.0

VPE-2
Weapons	DHS	JJs	Special	Toggles	Engine	Speed
2x cHLL + 5x cLMG (3.0ton)	17	6	-	cEndo + cFerro	cXL340	100.1
2x UAC5 (4.0ton) + 2x UAC2 (3.0ton)	10	1	all left-mounted	cEndo + cFerro	cXL255	75.1
---- following builds assume hardpoint inflation: ----
4x cMPL + 6x cLMG (3.0ton)	16	4	-	cEndo + cFerro	cXL350	103.1

VPE-3
Weapons	DHS	JJs	Special	Toggles	Engine	Speed
3x cSRM6a (4.0ton) + 4x cERML	19	1	-	cEndo + cFerro	cXL315	92.8
2x cATM3 + 1x cATM9 (4.0ton) + 4x cERML	18	1	-	cEndo + cFerro	cXL315	92.8
---- following builds assume hardpoint inflation: ----
4x cSRM6a (5.0ton) + 4x cERSL	16	1	-	cEndo + cFerro	cXL330	97.2

VPE-4
Weapons	DHS	JJs	Special	Toggles	Engine	Speed
2x cHLL + 5x cERML	22	1	-	cEndo	cXL300	88.4
2x cSRM6a (3.0ton) + 6x cERSL	15	1	-	cEndo + cFerro	cXL375	110.5
2x cSRM4 (2.5ton) + 6x cMPL	20	1	-	cEndo + cFerro	cXL300	88.4
2x cATM9 (5.0ton) + 6x cERSL	18	1	-	cEndo	cXL285	83.9

Thanks for drumming this up; clearly shows how much more competitive Vapes will be. Maybe that's not what we need then, maybe we deserve an overengined anemic and huntsman level of heat efficiency on a mech.

[Athom83]

Jay Leon Hart, on 12 October 2017 - 02:59 AM, said:

Well I'm adding it anyway, wouldn't want to be accused of rigging my own competition

But what if then they drop a Clan mech and an IS one to end up being that one and another clan one already mentioned?