18 replies to this topic

[Xaat Xuun]

there is no reason to have more then one map, everyone just runs to the center and skirmish anyways.
what's the point having a map with many avenues and approaches if no one uses them, waste of map resource.
So why not just have one map for QP, skirmish . . since that's all everyone is doing anyways

[Bombast]

Well, there's the visual aesthetics, the fact that not all the maps play exactly alike, that there's a Group QP queue that can exploit maps more effectively, the fact that Skirmish is a garbage mode that should be banished forever...

But I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess this is one of 'those' threads, and as such, an actual discussion isn't what you desire.

[Khobai]

theres nothing to discuss anyway. I think everyone agrees that every gamemode being a variation of skirmish is bad.

[Xaat Xuun]

just trying to understand, why the need for so many maps when everyone just does the same thing in all of them. no mater what the mode is.

what's the point to having options if no one is using them

[Bombast]

Xaat Xuun, on 10 October 2017 - 07:40 PM, said:

just trying to understand, why the need for so many maps when everyone just does the same thing in all of them.

Because they don't? Just a few examples of the typical 'strat' for maps...

-Terra Therma is a central brawl on pretty much all modes
-Frozen City Domination/Conquest feature running battles in the city portions that usually turn into a series of flanking manuevers (Non-NASCAR)
-Grim Plexus (All Modes) has two main push avenues, and depending on whos on what side, pushes frequently happen on either one (And one of the avenues can be pushed in both directions)
-A bunch of crap happens on Tourmaline (Most of its stupid, but its varied for sure)

Of course, there's the HPG/Caustic/Mining NASCAR trifecta, but that's not every map, and it's an argument to remove some of those from rotation, not all of them.

Xaat Xuun, on 10 October 2017 - 07:40 PM, said:

what's the point to having options if no one is using them

People do use them.

So I guess that's the end of it.

Edited by Bombast, 10 October 2017 - 07:48 PM.

[Kiiyor]

Xaat Xuun, on 10 October 2017 - 07:40 PM, said:

just trying to understand, why the need for so many maps when everyone just does the same thing in all of them. no mater what the mode is.

what's the point to having options if no one is using them

It's a natural thing, an evolution of herd instinct and self preservation, and it happens everywhere.

The steps you take in your average PUG match are a trail blazed by the blood of countless pilots. It's like a standard operating procedure in the military; sometimes it gets written because it's common sense, sometimes it gets written because enough people died to warrant writing something down.

It doesn't matter how many game modes and maps you make for MWO - sooner or later, standard strategies are going to develop for them, as they do in just about every multiplayer game - and if you don't want to follow them, all you need to do is prove yourself a capable or convincing enough leader to steer the herd outside their comfort zone.

[Kiiyor]

Bombast, on 10 October 2017 - 07:47 PM, said:

-A bunch of crap happens on Tourmaline (Most of its stupid, but its varied for sure)

Truer words were never spoken. Many people dislike that map, but I kind of love it - one of the few maps we have that can steer the herd in different directions.

There comes a point in just about every fight there where first contact starts near where the dish would be in domination, then everything descends into awesome chaos. Benny Hill music should play the instant anyone enters that gridsquare.

[InvictusLee]

Khobai, on 10 October 2017 - 07:35 PM, said:

theres nothing to discuss anyway. I think everyone agrees that every gamemode being a variation of skirmish is bad.

Mind if I quote you in my siggy?

[Shifty McSwift]

Kiiyor, on 10 October 2017 - 09:39 PM, said:

Many people dislike that map, but I kind of love it - one of the few maps we have that can steer the herd in different directions.

Most that I see tend to devolve into rushing/nascarring the central spire area or involve a death valley push/fight. It is a bit more open than some maps though for sure, so there is potential for more weird instances.

Khobai, on 10 October 2017 - 07:35 PM, said:

theres nothing to discuss anyway. I think everyone agrees that every gamemode being a variation of skirmish is bad.

I don't even know about this anymore, much of it is player driven, even with boosted objectives rewards and the like people will often fight because it is more fun than not fighting.

The objectives still matter though and make a decent enough difference to enough games, I just think people aren't gearing up their robots to not fight in the large majority.

How would you go about changing it for example?

[Paigan]

Bombast, on 10 October 2017 - 06:56 PM, said:

Well, there's the visual aesthetics, the fact that not all the maps play exactly alike, that there's a Group QP queue that can exploit maps more effectively, the fact that Skirmish is a garbage mode that should be banished forever...

But I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess this is one of 'those' threads, and as such, an actual discussion isn't what you desire.

This

(I notice I'm slowly making a habit of just signing Bombast's post. Very comfy )

[Vellron2005]

Xaat Xuun, on 10 October 2017 - 06:51 PM, said:

there is no reason to have more then one map, everyone just runs to the center and skirmish anyways.
what's the point having a map with many avenues and approaches if no one uses them, waste of map resource.
So why not just have one map for QP, skirmish . . since that's all everyone is doing anyways

Sarcastic OP being sarcastic..

[Nerokar]

Xaat Xuun, on 10 October 2017 - 07:40 PM, said:

just trying to understand, why the need for so many maps when everyone just does the same thing in all of them. no mater what the mode is.

what's the point to having options if no one is using them

You mix up modes and maps... but anyway:

The most maps offer good opportunity for tactical play. And it is used. So many games when our lights splitted the enemy team with continuous harass on the enemies assault point. Or one of the teams won a conquest match by points with no man alive. Even a simple skirmish offers nice possibilities for tactical play...

You complain about deathball? No tactics? But you, YES YOU, can change it. Use your voice, work out a good tactic, and make calls. The pugs QuickPlay are really thanksful for well formulated, precise and calm calls in most cases. So stop complaining, take a seat in your mech and be a commander...

But let me guess, it is easier to complain in forums then to organize a game...

[Johnny Z]

Xaat Xuun, on 10 October 2017 - 06:51 PM, said:

there is no reason to have more then one map, everyone just runs to the center and skirmish anyways.
what's the point having a map with many avenues and approaches if no one uses them, waste of map resource.
So why not just have one map for QP, skirmish . . since that's all everyone is doing anyways

Not all matches play that way. Less than you may think.

[Bud Crue]

Yeah. Cuz when I drop WAAYYY out in the water on Forest Colony...in an Assault mech, I often think to myself "boy, ya know I think I will go for a stroll to the cliff side beach on the other side of the map. It is a lovely little spot for an ambush. It'll be fun to try something different" And yet, every time I try to go there the craziest thing happens: the timer runs out before I fire a shot. Its so odd. Its almost like instead of being encouraged to play in the wonderful environment that I have been given, I am forced to instead make a beeline for the center so that I can actual participate in the match with my fellow players. Crazy.

[Bigbacon]

some of the most memorable rounds in this game for me have been the ones where you get a team willing to go to some weird spot on the map and wait and fight it out.

if it was possible to make the drop areas change it could get us to use portions of the maps we normally don't use.

[The Mysterious Fox]

not sure if sarcastic or serious. Anyway, youre mixing up the chicken and egg here, gameflow is completely dependent on map design, just because most of the QP maps are poorly designed around silly landmarks, it forces players to centre and nascar compared to the turret mode that most FW maps are designed around.

[Athom83]

We need double the amount of maps, then a random selection brought back in.

[Lykaon]

Xaat Xuun, on 10 October 2017 - 06:51 PM, said:

there is no reason to have more then one map, everyone just runs to the center and skirmish anyways.
what's the point having a map with many avenues and approaches if no one uses them, waste of map resource.
So why not just have one map for QP, skirmish . . since that's all everyone is doing anyways

League of legends player?

[Xaat Xuun]

Lykaon, on 11 October 2017 - 01:09 PM, said:

League of legends player?

Nope . . I had to google it to see if I had maybe tried it . . I don't think I have ever tried it, doesn't look like something I would play