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[Hit the Deck]

As a moderate visual effect - yay
It doing damage - nay

[Thorn Hallis]

For MW5: Yay
For MWO: Nay

[TLBFestus]

Make it about a 1-3% chance of explosion when the CT is cored and it would not happen so often as to be annoying, abused or exploited, but would still be exciting when it happens.

Imagine the guy who just before he's cored drives selflessly into the enemy and the mech hits the 1-3% threshold and explodes, taking out 2-3 of the enemy and completely reversing the fortunes of his team. Now, that would be cool.

[Bombast]

TLBFestus, on 11 October 2017 - 07:35 AM, said:

Imagine the guy who just before he's cored drives selflessly into the enemy and the mech hits the 1-3% threshold and explodes, taking out 2-3 of the enemy and completely reversing the fortunes of his team. Now, that would be cool.

That would be incredibly frustrating.

[Natred]

Nope

[Escef]

Something a little more graphic would be nice, but not full-on Stackpoling.

[MeiSooHaityu]

TLBFestus, on 11 October 2017 - 07:35 AM, said:

Make it about a 1-3% chance of explosion when the CT is cored and it would not happen so often as to be annoying, abused or exploited, but would still be exciting when it happens.

Imagine the guy who just before he's cored drives selflessly into the enemy and the mech hits the 1-3% threshold and explodes, taking out 2-3 of the enemy and completely reversing the fortunes of his team. Now, that would be cool.

On the plus side, It would probably make for some entertaining The B33f videos

Edited by MeiSooHaityu, 11 October 2017 - 07:57 AM.

[R0gal D0rn]

Can you imagine a invasion game in FP where the mechs struggling in the doors entrance can explode and damage their teamamtes? We had a hard time convincing PGI
about how frustranting and umbalanced Long Tom was. But some never learn...

Edited by Tirant Lo Blanc, 11 October 2017 - 08:02 AM.

[Magnus Santini]

The explosion should trigger all enemy warhorns, thus acting as a counter to ECM.

[Mole]

If it's visual and audio only then sure. Let's have some more explodey 'mechs. But there's just so many ways this could be abused by players if it did splash damage, so no to the damage part.

[Bombast]

MeiSooHaityu, on 11 October 2017 - 07:57 AM, said:

On the plus side, It would probably make for some entertaining The B33f videos

Maximum overtroll.

Unrelated, I started watching some of his streaming. He engages in a lot more time wasting in matches than I realized.

I didn't know he was that scary while only going quarter bore most of the time.

Edited by Bombast, 11 October 2017 - 08:05 AM.

[Rovertoo]

How about we make the stackpole give minimal (like, collision-level) damage and have it just give heat ala flamers instead? Make it so it caps at 90% like flamers, but the heat effect will be enough to dissuade people from standing too close. And walla! A super cool effect with a totally bearable gameplay change!

[Willard Phule]

MeiSooHaityu, on 11 October 2017 - 06:34 AM, said:

No

I understand that Stackpoling is cool, however it was created for dramatic effect in the novels (and adapted for the likes of MW4). It really isn't a BattleTech thing other than that. A Mech's engine is destroyed, it powers down and ceases to function. It doesn't look as cool, but it is correct.

Some have mentioned the sort of air burst effect and Sarna.net mentions it, nut it is EXTREMELY rare and I am assuming is more mentioned to help keep books within continuity of the franchise as a whole.

"Normal thermal expansion of the air causes the air to burst out in a brilliant lightshow often mistaken for a "nuclear explosion". This thermal expansion damages anything within 90 meters of the destroyed 'Mech.

Such dramatic failures are rare, though. It is difficult to sustain the fusion reaction and very easy to shut down. Safety systems or damage to containment coils will almost always shut down the engine before such an explosion occurs." - Sarna.net

Besides, what good is a mech for defense, when if one explodes, it destroys what it was assigned to defend?

Sorta gives meaning to engaging the override. If you blow up in a murderball, odds are better you'll be hurting your team and not the enemy.

[Lightfoot]

Stackpoling is a Fusion Core breech. Fusion reactors don't actually nuke, but the fusion reaction is under tremendous pressure so a core breech would result in a violent localized explosion,damaging, but not killing nearby mechs. That's what would happen even with so-called Cold Fusion. So yes MWO should have it as a rare event and MechWarrior 5 better have it because despite BattleTech TT, the Fusion Core Breech has become synonymous with MechWarrior Lore.

Yay!

[Thorqemada]

I dont like Stackpole that much - imho the Gray Death Trilogy is how books should have been written.

[Kuaron]

I'd like it if not for the lore.
Or: despite the lore,
depending on how much PGI fails on optimization this time.

[Nemesis Duck]

Yay with damage to surrounding mechs, maybe not to friendlies, see how it goes with.

[Jun Watarase]

MW4 had stackpoling, the end result was that when players were on low health, they would rush enemy mechs and hug them so that their death explosion would damage the enemy. Short of killing an enemy before they got close to you, there was basically nothing you could do to stop it. It was a terrible mechanic.

[Alan Davion]

Rakshasa, on 11 October 2017 - 06:26 AM, said:

I keed, I keed But I mean, honestly, who doesn't love explosions in their giant robot entertainment?

Stackpoling might be a bit OTT, but rippling explosions, fire and smoke as a 'Mech's internal systems are critted and limbs blown off, finally climaxing with a spectacle like this?



Yes please. The wet fart of smoke and debris we have now might be more realistic, but it's a lot less satisfying. Having destroyed mechs go up like the 4th of July would be awesome.

Maybe not the damage-to-nearby-mechs thing though. It worked in Mechcommander, but in a multiplayer shooter it might get annoying fast. On the other hand, it might reduce deathballing. Hmm...

While the story might have been arguably cheesy as f***, you can't deny that Robot Jox had some amazing visual effects work.

[kuma8877]

Alan Davion, on 11 October 2017 - 03:40 PM, said:

While the story might have been arguably cheesy as f***, you can't deny that Robot Jox had some amazing visual effects work.

...it was the right kind of cheese.