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[razenWing]

First of all, PGI, did you know that mwomerc.com without the S is some random site that sells mercedes? Couldn't you guys tried to grab that domain? It's SUPER annoying to accidentally go there when trying to access here because a 'S' was not typed...

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Back to main topic...

So recently, I've been going back to my root of MMO gaming. In these games, if you kill a friendly or a neutral player, you are "flagged" as a criminal. Now, a few days ago, theb33f released this video...



So, naturally (yup, you know where I'm going with this) putting 2 and 2 together...

If you TK, you are flagged as... some title like... "Bountied Criminal" with your position marker turn from blue to bright yellow, indicating your status. (That way, everyone know that you TK, and know exactly where and who you are rather than trying to look through the Q button (for me it's Q) and need to scan the entire battlefield to find the TKer.

Now, if it's accidental, you obviously explain to the whole team that "oops, in the midst of firing my 150 pt Alpha at the enemy, JohnDoe walked infront of me, and I accidentally oblierated him. My B, guy!" and people don't try to shoot you.

Now, it's someone like Zuul or the guy in theb33f's video, killing the "yellow" will earn you the title "the Avenger" for killing the TK. Killing a "yellow" incurs no penalty in cbill or time. (At the same time, NOT killing the yellow result in no penalty either... so, it's a pure neutral action that allows for open retribution against intentional TKer)

With that, we can expand the TK window a bit out, so that first few accidental offense is not automatically punished by the system (as in theb33f's previous video where he accidentally TK-ed like 4 guys in a row), basically.. you stand trial before your peers before an automatic sanction from the system overlord slaps you with a 2 hours ban.

Now, if you turn yellow from accidental TK, you still incur CBILL penalty, UNLESS... (and because it's accidental), you make up for it by going through Herculean task of doing 2 KMDD on enemy combatants (since you have to make up for the kill of the teammate that you killed AND yourself), then there would be no CBILL penalty.

Your yellow record still tracks though... so if you are "accidentally" killing your teammate 4-5 games in a row... you are still going to receive a time ban from the system overlord. You just erase your "yellow" status (returning you to blue) for THAT game session AND remove the CBILL reduction.

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Again, not a complicated procedures to implement. Doesn't exist any obvious loopholes to exploit (as there are no rewards for going yellow or hunting yellow). Get players back into action faster for accidental TK. Severely punish intentional TKers by highlighting them for their jury and executioners. (it's like, everyone is Judge Dredd against the TKer)

So how about it...?

"oh no, PGI need to invest resource into fixing bugs and not something like this..."

There, you griefers, you already post your meta response for you, if you got soemthing 50% similar to above statement, save it. Let's get a real discussion for once rather than the usual somehow this turns into a PGI bashing or I want laser damage reduce meta boring talk.

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PS I just realized... the people highlighted in theb33f's video... that's solid evidence of intentional account griefing isn't it? PGI are you going to do something about these people?

Edited by razenWing, 22 October 2017 - 03:20 AM.

[Chados]

This is a good idea but for one thing: The idiot that jumps in front of you RIGHT as you pull the trigger in a confused melee. Boom, TK and your flag gets flipped, and suddenly you’re everyone’s target. No one will listen you you frantically trying to explain what happened. You might not know what happened. All you’ll know is that suddenly, it’s 20 against 1 and you pop like a balloon in a needle factory.

Edited by Chados, 22 October 2017 - 04:14 AM.

[Asym]

Doesn't World of Warships turn you icon on the map pink after two indicences; making you a threat and attackable to both sides?

[Chados]

If it does, that would cure the “oops, my bad” problem. I’ve never seen multiple accidental TKs in one drop, though I think Razen is referring to one in a B33f video. But weird things happen in B33f videos.

[razenWing]

Chados, on 22 October 2017 - 04:12 AM, said:

This is a good idea but for one thing: The idiot that jumps in front of you RIGHT as you pull the trigger in a confused melee. Boom, TK and your flag gets flipped, and suddenly you’re everyone’s target. No one will listen you you frantically trying to explain what happened. You might not know what happened. All you’ll know is that suddenly, it’s 20 against 1 and you pop like a balloon in a needle factory.

Well, aside from getting the "Avenger" title after the first kill, you don't really get any incentive to kill the "yellow"

The only way I see you being everyone's target is if the guy you TKed yelling on the comm that he killed you on purpose. I have faith in humanity to make the right call =)

[El Bandito]

(MS) is gonna have fun with yellow flagged mechs running around on every drop. Our rear torsi are bullet magnets for friendly-fire. It has gotten to the point of friendly-fire becoming part of our unit identity.

Edited by El Bandito, 22 October 2017 - 04:37 AM.

[Nema Nabojiv]

Chados, on 22 October 2017 - 04:12 AM, said:

This is a good idea but for one thing: The idiot that jumps in front of you RIGHT as you pull the trigger in a confused melee. Boom, TK and your flag gets flipped, and suddenly you’re everyone’s target.

Here is another idea - TK flag is applied to trial kodiaks only when one teamkills someone. And boom, all your nighstars accidentally shooting someone are safe.

[Bombast]

Asym, on 22 October 2017 - 04:15 AM, said:

Doesn't World of Warships turn you icon on the map pink after two indicences; making you a threat and attackable to both sides?

All the 'World Of' titles do (Though for WoT, it's blue, or at least it was last I checked).

But yes, a team kill tag would be useful. All you really need to do to keep it from being abused (Tagging people who 2 damage tapped a cherry friendly by accident, etc) is do what they already do - Track friendly damage and only count it as an offense if the damage breaks a certain threshold.

Edited by Bombast, 22 October 2017 - 04:47 AM.

[Rick T Dangerous]

Bombast, on 22 October 2017 - 04:47 AM, said:

But yes, a team kill tag would be useful. All you really need to do to keep it from being abused (Tagging people who 2 damage tapped a cherry friendly by accident, etc) is do what they already do - Track friendly damage and only count it as an offense if the damage breaks a certain threshold.

Set TK tag if one TK and Team damage > damage done to enemies.

[mouser42]

300mc and ten million c-bills bounty for putting down cereal team killers in game would be nice.

It will never happen but still.... wonder if this last group of TK game trolls work for HG well lets hope no one is that pathetic.

[razenWing]

Rick T Dangerous, on 22 October 2017 - 07:27 AM, said:

Set TK tag if one TK and Team damage > damage done to enemies.

You are the 2nd person that suggested that, and that's just not a good way to determine true TK for a few reasons...

1: When you TK, you are picking up the most vulnerable part. That's not going to be high damage in the first place.
2: You can accidentally TK your own teammate after being AFK (or just not find action) and do less damage to enemy.
3: Intentional TKers can still run around killing enemies and run up the damage to enemy score to avoid penalty and continue trolling for games after games.
4: There is still punishment for TK Avengers that try to kill Intentional TKer. theb33f is still being punished in this case.

Thus, just let the result speak for itself. It's not like right now, there's a thin line between intentional and accidental. We ALL KNOW who the real "yellow" are. It's fairly obvious who are the trolls and who shot John Doe by accident.

So, flag them all, and let your own teammates figure it out. (and I say, 99.99% of them can figure out. At least I have not been in a match where TK is not obvious.)

[Asym]

Bombast, on 22 October 2017 - 04:47 AM, said:

All the 'World Of' titles do (Though for WoT, it's blue, or at least it was last I checked).

But yes, a team kill tag would be useful. All you really need to do to keep it from being abused (Tagging people who 2 damage tapped a cherry friendly by accident, etc) is do what they already do - Track friendly damage and only count it as an offense if the damage breaks a certain threshold.

I agree a PINK TAG would stick out.

Actually, I checked with a WoW level 10 player and he said that WoW turns a player pink when damage amounts of friendly fire exceed a threshold or a kill; and, it stays that way for several games..... That way, if you do it in a second match being pink, you become fair game for everyone and no one wants a pink player in their squadron so................