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[A Shoddy Rental Mech]

Commander A9, on 21 October 2017 - 11:21 PM, said:

Drop as a team?

Drop alongside a unit?

Form a unit?

Join a unit?

Things we've been encouraging people to do since day one in Winter 2014?

Look what i won at Tukayyid while doing none of that.



Because easymode winning is more fun.

[Deathlike]

Anything times practically/virtually 0 fun in faction play is still 0.

[MischiefSC]

Deathlike, on 22 October 2017 - 04:25 PM, said:

Anything times practically/virtually 0 fun in faction play is still 0.

You just don't know what's good.

Playing against NS in FW 1 was some of the most fun I had in FW.

[Deathlike]

MischiefSC, on 22 October 2017 - 04:29 PM, said:

You just don't know what's good.

Playing against NS in FW 1 was some of the most fun I had in FW.

It used to be good, until a Long Tom showed up.

[Ordor Secin]

Deathlike, on 22 October 2017 - 04:37 PM, said:

It used to be good, until a Long Tom showed up.

Long Toms aren't in Faction Warfare anymore. Haven't been for a while as far as I know. Unless they've put them back on while I was dormant.

[Deathlike]

Ordor Secin, on 22 October 2017 - 05:08 PM, said:

Long Toms aren't in Faction Warfare anymore. Haven't been for a while as far as I know. Unless they've put them back on while I was dormant.

Sure, but that wiped out a rather significant part of the population that played FP/CW. It's hard to get serious with FP/CW ever since.

[Johnathan Tanner]

Deathlike, on 22 October 2017 - 05:10 PM, said:

Sure, but that wiped out a rather significant part of the population that played FP/CW. It's hard to get serious with FP/CW ever since.

And what the long tom missed is slowly bleeding away under 1 bukkit posion.

[MischiefSC]

Deathlike, on 22 October 2017 - 04:37 PM, said:

It used to be good, until a Long Tom showed up.

It was emptying before LT showed up. LT just emptied some clips of 180mm into its back while it was running away. The lack of point or purpose.

Then 1 bukkit. I know literally hundreds, as in maybe 300 or 400, players who left over that. That and LT and just the general sense of apathy from PGI.

[Spheroid]

I don't know why people are blaming Long Tom. Long Tom trolling was absolutely a blast. The trolling was easier as I.S. as well since we had many more fast lights at the time.

People need to remember the correct history of LT as well. It went from broken, less broken, rebroken, weak sauce to removed. Not all the iterations were terrible.

[MischiefSC]

Spheroid, on 22 October 2017 - 07:26 PM, said:

I don't know why people are blaming Long Tom. Long Tom trolling was absolutely a blast. The trolling was easier as I.S. as well since we had many more fast lights at the time.

People need to remember the correct history of LT as well. It went from broken, less broken, rebroken, weak sauce to removed. Not all the iterations were terrible.

Every iteration was terrible.

I don't need something stealing my damage at kills and rewarding camping and waiting for LT. It also drove the pugs away.

[A Shoddy Rental Mech]

Some people seem to forget that the Long Tom was primarily a clan weapon since the clans dominated scouting in Phase 3.
Did wonders at driving I.S. players right out of Faction Play.

[Kin3ticX]

Spheroid, on 22 October 2017 - 07:26 PM, said:

I don't know why people are blaming Long Tom. Long Tom trolling was absolutely a blast. The trolling was easier as I.S. as well since we had many more fast lights at the time.

People need to remember the correct history of LT as well. It went from broken, less broken, rebroken, weak sauce to removed. Not all the iterations were terrible.

None of that mattered. The problem with longtom was the counter play was to quit or quit and go deal with 4v4. Counterplay has to be within the game instance you are playing or there is a red flag game design issue. It amazed me that PGI took so long to axe it, almost as if it was someones pet idea from high up. That wasnt the only thing wrong with phase 3. Phase 3 in general was devastating.

[A Shoddy Rental Mech]

Kin3ticX, on 23 October 2017 - 02:48 AM, said:

It amazed me that PGI took so long to axe it, almost as if it was someones pet idea from high up.

It'd still be in the game if someone *cough*Russ*cough* had their way.
https://www.reddit.c...able_recording/

• 2h35m Long Tom - Russ wants to hear a fix, not a removal. Xavier points out correctly that Long Tom is an activity killer when it's acquired on a planet. Pat Kell mentions that having something else deal huge damage is very unpalatable and cheap and is still way too strong in its current form, and mentions that the specific player that it locks onto is super ******. Aylward concurs, Long Tom is queue-clearing. Shimmering Sword agrees. Seemingly there's consensus on the idea of an Arty amount of damage with Long Tom explosion radius might be a good fix (and a rename so people aren't scared off). Some discussion that the initial implementation of Long Tom was too ****** and has soured people beyond salvage. Lots of talk about "Air Superiority" idea: enemy can't use Arty/Air Strikes but Russ not really on board."

"Fortunately, Russ Bullock is all about the little details."

[Alexandra Hekmatyar]

HammerMaster, on 22 October 2017 - 11:46 AM, said:

Fix? how about 10v12 as we asked for from start of clans. Now the only way to fix is clan v clan and IS vs IS.

I like the IS v IS part.
Let's make FP great again!

[Roland09]

The Nerf Bat, on 23 October 2017 - 04:40 AM, said:

It'd still be in the game if someone *cough*Russ*cough* had their way.
"Fortunately, Russ Bullock is all about the little details."

How dare you!!!11! Documenting proceedings and taking notes is of supposed to be long lost tech!

[Johnathan Tanner]

Roland09, on 23 October 2017 - 08:36 AM, said:

How dare you!!!11! Documenting proceedings and taking notes is of supposed to be long lost tech!

It would have been interesting to see what CW could have become if we hadn't let it be abandoned for MW5. Now go out there, and buy some escalated nostalgia pixels to support PGI's next fail venture.

[LordNothing]

i tried playing fp before the last batch of events, was getting about a drop an hour. thats going to have to improve just to get the people who want to play fp to play fp. want me to play is, give me a faction with a 50+% bonus.

Edited by LordNothing, 23 October 2017 - 05:47 PM.

[LordNothing]

Commander A9, on 21 October 2017 - 11:21 PM, said:

Drop as a team?

Drop alongside a unit?

Form a unit?

Join a unit?

Things we've been encouraging people to do since day one in Winter 2014?

none of these things increase the fp population. if anything they caused it to stagnate.

[Johnathan Tanner]

LordNothing, on 23 October 2017 - 05:46 PM, said:

i tried playing fp before the last batch of events, was getting about a drop an hour. thats going to have to improve just to get the people who want to play fp to play fp. want me to play is, give me a faction with a 50+% bonus.

Or give you a faction at all lol, the symbol next to your name is pointless and a decent developer would simply remove it. But we all know PGI's gonna milk this ***** for all shes got.(Gotta catch them whales) As for your wait times there only gonna get longer.

[Commander A9]

The Nerf Bat, on 22 October 2017 - 04:24 PM, said:

Look what i won at Tukayyid while doing none of that.



Because easymode winning is more fun.

Those are participation awards everyone gets for happening to be on the winning side.

Now to answer your original question, if you want to make Faction Warfare more 'fun,' then drop with a unit...otherwise, you face the 12-man premades everyone loves so much.

Faction Warfare isn't for individuals...it's for units. They're the ones at the top of the planetary capture leaderboards, they're the ones who get the credit, they're the ones dominating the landscape.

You asked for the solution to making Faction Warfare 'fun;' unit members are desperately trying to give people the answer...but people who want to go solo don't like what they're hearing, and they dismiss the advice...then they complain about 'getting farmed.'

Do you want to have fun, or do you want to get farmed?

Until it sinks in that forming up as a team/with a unit is really the best way to play Faction Warfare, and was the way it originally was designed, the trend of unit 12-mans smashing pugs will continue-until those individuals finally avail themselves of the tools at their disposal and cause it to stop.

Edited by Commander A9, 23 October 2017 - 06:58 PM.