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[davoodoo]

MechaBattler, on 06 November 2017 - 03:07 PM, said:

It's as you say GasGuzzler. There's only High Alpha or Optimized DPS builds. Be nice to see them throw other builds a bone.

davoodoo, that's how balancing something works. Conversely they could buff everything else. Either way people are going to be upset because their favorite build isn't as effective as it once was. Which is often a case of it no longer being the best.

Balancing should make things equally viable.
Reducing alphas reduces number of viable builds, look especially at direwhale, supernova or king crab.

Idk what do you think you are doing, but this is not balancing, assault mechs are suffering because they cant bring enough firepower to justify their weight while lights arent getting more durable, but now they get variants which can bring more firepower.

Edited by davoodoo, 06 November 2017 - 03:40 PM.

[Gas Guzzler]

MechaBattler, on 06 November 2017 - 03:07 PM, said:

It's as you say GasGuzzler. There's only High Alpha or Optimized DPS builds. Be nice to see them throw other builds a bone.

davoodoo, that's how balancing something works. Conversely they could buff everything else. Either way people are going to be upset because their favorite build isn't as effective as it once was. Which is often a case of it no longer being the best.

Well, surely you can see that if you try to throw other builds a bone by nerfing alpha strikes, the crown just shifts to the optimized DPS builds, and frankly that gameplay will get old pretty quick. Curious to hear what other builds though?

There are some builds that try to combine poke with a side of DPS, and usually involve PPFLD. But what kind of builds are you referring to? I mean, surely the 2 ML, PPC, LB5 and LRM 10 build isn't ever going to be good....

[Scout Derek]

Gas Guzzler, on 06 November 2017 - 05:30 PM, said:

There are some builds that try to combine poke with a side of DPS, and usually involve PPFLD. But what kind of builds are you referring to? I mean, surely the 2 ML, PPC, LB5 and LRM 10 build isn't ever going to be good....

Sounds like a lore build

[MischiefSC]

Gas Guzzler, on 06 November 2017 - 02:39 PM, said:

High alphas vs continuous DPS builds? Depends on the situation, but yes, right now overall high alphas are better more often than not, except when they aren't.

In fact, on the IS side of the fence, DPS builds ARE better than alpha builds at least in the assault class. Like how the 6UAC2 Mauler is probably one of the best IS assaults in the game. 5UAC5 Annihilator also seems to consistently put up huge numbers for me.

I watched Navid put up 1000-1500 a match in a 4x AC10 Anni today in QP. Repeatedly, 1100-1500.

The absolute most entertaining match was when he got legged on Crimson at the north side tunnel exit (not the one under the garage, opposite side) on Escort. The escort was going to C4, down on the end of the peninsula. We had one guy who was just a total idiot, almost fresh Marauder Bounty Hunter who was just wandering around while we're all trying to explain it's ******* Escort, we're trying to kill the VIP and the VIP is 1/2 a grid from the departure. Our nimwit is being super, super cautious and looking for the last enemy (a mostly dead Arctic Wolf) and ignoring that we're going to lose to the VIP exiting.

Navid manages to catch and kill the VIP in a legged Annihilator. In like 90 seconds.

I had written the match off for a loss. However he was getting a lot of success with just regular AC10s. Refire was surprisingly quick.

I also recommend trying 2xAC10, 2x RAC5. You've just got to keep yourself from stopping to shoot, which is tempting. Also watching the RACs and stopping when they hit the bar instead of letting them jam. I've had several 1200+ games. The 2x AC10s are cool enough that you just shoot them all day and the RACs you use for exposed targets and to suppress poke mechs.

[Gas Guzzler]

Scout Derek, on 06 November 2017 - 05:34 PM, said:

Sounds like a lore build

The good builds I'm talking about are:

2ER PPC 3UAC5 MAD-IIC-A
2 PPC 2 UAC5 MAD-3R

Stuff like that

[Mcgral18]

JackalBeast, on 06 November 2017 - 12:49 PM, said:

Logged in just to like that.
No, not that build. That was just an apparently feeble attempt to contend with what was being presented.
Mcgral I'll send you a friend request, if you're not to busy doing weird things with fruit roll ups it would be fun to challenge ya.

Maybe Wednesday

NBT right now, and too much homework tomorrow

[Jackal Noble]

kk cool

[Y E O N N E]

Gas Guzzler, on 06 November 2017 - 06:53 PM, said:

The good builds I'm talking about are:

2ER PPC 3UAC5 MAD-IIC-A
2 PPC 2 UAC5 MAD-3R

Stuff like that

You try the LPPC + UAC/2 yet, meng?

[Scout Derek]

Yeonne Greene, on 06 November 2017 - 07:50 PM, said:

You try the LPPC + UAC/2 yet, meng?

Triple UAC/2 Dragon is maximum lulz

[Y E O N N E]

Scout Derek, on 06 November 2017 - 07:51 PM, said:

Triple UAC/2 Dragon is maximum lulz

Yeah (I did it before it was cool!), but that's not a Marauder.

[MischiefSC]

Yeonne Greene, on 06 November 2017 - 07:50 PM, said:

You try the LPPC + UAC/2 yet, meng?

I do the trip uac2 with lasers - are LPPCs not suck now?

[Y E O N N E]

MischiefSC, on 06 November 2017 - 10:18 PM, said:

I do the trip uac2 with lasers - are LPPCs not suck now?

Considering the DPS of an ERML is 0.92 and the DPS of an LPPC is 1.25...

I do two LPPC and two ERML. Considering scrapping those two ERML for a third LPPC.

[MischiefSC]

Yeonne Greene, on 06 November 2017 - 10:20 PM, said:

Considering the DPS of an ERML is 0.92 and the DPS of an LPPC is 1.25...

I do two LPPC and two ERML. Considering scrapping those two ERML for a third LPPC.

I've tried playing around with light gauss and light PPCs and just... yeah. That might work though.

[Gas Guzzler]

Yeonne Greene, on 06 November 2017 - 07:50 PM, said:

You try the LPPC + UAC/2 yet, meng?

A little.. wasn't really my cup of tea. Maybe I'll try it again. Just doesn't seem to hit as hard.

[MechaBattler]

Gas Guzzler, on 06 November 2017 - 05:30 PM, said:

Well, surely you can see that if you try to throw other builds a bone by nerfing alpha strikes, the crown just shifts to the optimized DPS builds, and frankly that gameplay will get old pretty quick. Curious to hear what other builds though?

There are some builds that try to combine poke with a side of DPS, and usually involve PPFLD. But what kind of builds are you referring to? I mean, surely the 2 ML, PPC, LB5 and LRM 10 build isn't ever going to be good....

How bout something that doesn't consist of boating a weapon to high hell?

[Y E O N N E]

MechaBattler, on 07 November 2017 - 08:27 PM, said:

How bout something that doesn't consist of boating a weapon to high hell?

You'll need to define "boating", please.

Gas Guzzler, on 07 November 2017 - 12:10 AM, said:

A little.. wasn't really my cup of tea. Maybe I'll try it again. Just doesn't seem to hit as hard.

It doesn't wallop, it shreds.

[MechaBattler]

Yeonne Greene, on 07 November 2017 - 08:31 PM, said:

You'll need to define "boating", please.



It doesn't wallop, it shreds.

Things the Mauler does.

[Y E O N N E]

MechaBattler, on 07 November 2017 - 09:10 PM, said:

Things the Mauler does.

Insufficient. I want a clear and generic definition constructed without falling back on a reference that can be misinterpreted, i.e. I can build a Mauler with LRM, SRM, small lasers, large lasers, and machine guns all on the same machine.

[Thorqemada]

It does not matter - FM18 is out (at least as Beta)
And i got Nobunaga's Ambition: Ascension - Souzou Sengoku Risshiden for <17 Euros from Instant Gaming
That is countles hours of playtime!

My new ambidextrous Joystick will have to wait...as Balance will do anyway

Edited by Thorqemada, 08 November 2017 - 11:01 AM.

[CJ Daxion]

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