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[Andi Nagasia]

CK16, on 13 December 2017 - 09:04 AM, said:

Now for the star of the show Omni-Quads! Watch in bewilderment and amazement!

everyone would say they are useless and DOA, until PGI decides to over quirk them,
most IS OmniMechs have a good spread of Hardpoints, so the only problem is the IS-XL,

for this their are 2 solutions,
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1) allow IS-XL to survive ST loss(hot topic that many are mixed about)
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2) give moderate ST Armor quirks to compensate for having a locked IS-XL,

[Gas Guzzler]

Andi Nagasia, on 13 December 2017 - 11:41 AM, said:

2) give moderate ST Armor quirks to compensate for having a locked IS-XL,

This is the obvious choice.

People forget that with locked engines you can balance knowing that nobody can "double down" on durability and swap out the XL. I find it very unlikely that some of the better omnis would turn out any worse than the typical IS Battlemechs that are released.

[Bombast]

Andi Nagasia, on 13 December 2017 - 11:41 AM, said:

everyone would say they are useless and DOA, until PGI decides to over quirk them,

It would take a level of quirk we've never seen before to save the loss of 12-16 crits.

[MechaBattler]

Yeah let's do it! Quirk all the things!

[Khobai]

ISXL should survive side torso destruction, but we need proper engine crits added to the game to make it work

ISXL = survives upto 4 crit slot destructions
CXL = survives upto 4 crit slot destructions
LFE = survives upto 4 crit slot destructions, and only suffers half penalties for crit slot destruction
STD = immune to crit slot destruction (suffers no penalties), gives a CT structure bonus

each crit slot destruction would result in a -10% movement and -20% internal heat sink penalty, and could cumulatively stack upto 3 times.

Edited by Khobai, 13 December 2017 - 12:08 PM.

[Jackal Noble]

Just make it so that Omnis can survive ST loss akin to Light engine. Done, simple easy fix. Next.

[Jackal Noble]

Khobai, on 13 December 2017 - 12:01 PM, said:

ISXL should survive side torso destruction

but we need proper engine crits added to the game to make it work

ISXL = survives upto 4 crit slot destructions
CXL = survives upto 4 crit slot destructions
LFE = survives upto 4 crit slot destructions, but suffers half or no penalties
STD = immune to crit destructions

each crit slot destruction would result in a -5% movement and -10% heat sink penalty, and could cumulatively stack upto 3 times.

Or just allow IS Omni to survive ST loss, because of the 'locked' engine and don't mess with anything else. IS has flavor, lots of sub par flavor, but it's a bit more options than subperior Ctech.
The risk of altering too much for the sake of golden balance is androgyny.

[Khobai]

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Or just allow IS Omni to survive ST loss, because of the 'locked' engine and don't mess with anything else. IS has flavor, lots of sub par flavor, but it's a bit more options than subperior Ctech.
The risk of altering too much for the sake of golden balance is androgyny.

but engine crits should exist anyway to balance standard engines better

adding engine crits would be a huge buff for ISXL and STD engines, a straight nerf for CXL, and a combination buff/nerf for LFE. its the best way to balance engines.

it makes no sense that ISXL would be better in an omni than a battlemech. thats not how engines work. engines should work consistently regardless of what mech theyre in.

Edited by Khobai, 13 December 2017 - 12:33 PM.

[Armored Yokai]

CK16, on 13 December 2017 - 08:30 AM, said:

Will this be the dawn of the era? Should PGI do these in 4 packs (though that probably means Clans get little)

Wave 1
Light - Raptor
Medium - Strider
Heavy - Avatar
Assault - Sunder

Remove the Raptor and replace it with an Owens.
Who cares if SHS turned into DHS isn't canon, you have Omnimechs that can change their armor values to which they arent supposed to

[Gas Guzzler]

Armored Yokai, on 13 December 2017 - 12:58 PM, said:

Remove the Raptor and replace it with an Owens.
Who cares if SHS turned into DHS isn't canon, you have Omnimechs that can change their armor values to which they arent supposed to

Dude, no. Raptor is way more desirable than the Owens. Why on earth would we want an Owens over a Raptor?

[Y E O N N E]

Armored Yokai, on 13 December 2017 - 12:58 PM, said:

Remove the Raptor and replace it with an Owens.
Who cares if SHS turned into DHS isn't canon, you have Omnimechs that can change their armor values to which they arent supposed to

Absolutely not. Owens is garbo with or without DHS.

Edited by Yeonne Greene, 13 December 2017 - 01:45 PM.

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Yeonne Greene, on 13 December 2017 - 01:45 PM, said:

Owens is garbo with or without DHS.

Well... at least the Owens would have better torso hit boxes than its predecessor.

...Maybe.

[Kaeb Odellas]

I don't think we'll get IS omnis this year. If anything, PGI will go further back in the timeline to for new Mech releases. Only 48 of MWO's mechs are timeline-appropriate for MW5, and it would make sense for PGI to work on mech additions that will benefit both projects.

[Bombast]

Kaeb Odellas, on 13 December 2017 - 02:46 PM, said:

I don't think we'll get IS omnis this year. If anything, PGI will go further back in the timeline to for new Mech releases. Only 48 of MWO's mechs are timeline-appropriate for MW5, and it would make sense for PGI to work on mech additions that will benefit both projects.

I'd love for them to do retro mechs (I still want a JM7 and a Dervish), but for some reason I doubt that's the direction they're going to head in. My bet is they're going to drive forward, not back.

I also doubt IS Omnimechs will make an appearance, but I'm going to keep hoping!

[Armored Yokai]

Gas Guzzler, on 13 December 2017 - 01:38 PM, said:

Dude, no. Raptor is way more desirable than the Owens. Why on earth would we want an Owens over a Raptor?

Classic and Loved Mech from previous Mechwarrior games (we can't have Omnis without it) with 9ML! ECM! (ECM is good for running behind because snipers wont be able to see you on their sensors if they are paying attention to someone else) and Pgi can change the SHS to DHS to make it sell better
plus APod and C3 can be changed to something else like 3 more ballistic Slots because the Owens already has heavy armor

[Y E O N N E]

Armored Yokai, on 13 December 2017 - 04:52 PM, said:

Classic and Loved Mech from previous Mechwarrior games (we can't have Omnis without it) with 9ML! ECM! (ECM is good for running behind because snipers wont be able to see you on their sensors if they are paying attention to someone else) and Pgi can change the SHS to DHS to make it sell better
plus APod and C3 can be changed to something else like 3 more ballistic Slots because the Owens already has heavy armor

Raptor gets 11 lasers. It also gets jump jets if you want them. It's also a much smaller target.

It's better.

[Internal Obedience XIII-omega]

I too await for the Sunder and Avatar to make it way in the hands of this Blakist.

[Armored Yokai]

Yeonne Greene, on 13 December 2017 - 05:01 PM, said:

Raptor gets 11 lasers. It also gets jump jets if you want them. It's also a much smaller target.

It's better.

11 too much!
119 KPH is too slow for me unless they make the Raptor the size of the Commando, the Jumpjets are a plus though and x3SRM6 also but no ECM to deny streaks or lrm locks if you are dueling someone

[OmniFail]

Yeah!!!!!!! The year of me!

[Y E O N N E]

Armored Yokai, on 13 December 2017 - 05:36 PM, said:

11 too much!
119 KPH is too slow for me unless they make the Raptor the size of the Commando, the Jumpjets are a plus though and x3SRM6 also but no ECM to deny streaks or lrm locks if you are dueling someone

The Raptor is going to be roughly the size of the Commando.

11 energy means your choice of 11x SL/ERSL (35.75) or 6x ML with 4-5x SL.

It will be a very competent little robot. Perhaps not meta, but solid enough.