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[gooddragon2]

I was bored and thought to myself... we don't salvage weapons off the battlefield, why not make a mini game of it?

Here's how this works:
1. If you got a salvage bonus from a mission that you were victorious in, record the total amount of cbills you received (round to thousands).
2. Roll on a random number generator (like this one: https://www.random.org/) (259 values possible currently)
3. Look up the result on the table below
4. If the result costs less than the amount of cbills you got and you have a mech that allows you to purchase it then buy it

To look up clan equipment, generally look for a mech with artemis allowed and all 3 types of hardpoints (like the ?) and for inner sphere the same deal (like the ?)

Table (values between 1 and 259):
1 C-AC/2
2 C-AC/5
3 C-AC/10
4 C-AC/20
5 C-LB2-X AC
6 C-LB5-X AC
7 C-LB10-X AC
8 C-LB20-X AC
9 C-ULTRA AC/2
10 C-ULTRA AC/5
11 C-ULTRA AC/10
12 C-ULTRA AC/20
13 C-GAUSS RIFLE
14 C-MACHINE GUN
15 C-LIGHT MACHINE GUN
16 C-HVY MACHINE GUN
17 C-FLAMER
18 C-LIGHT TAG
19 C-TAG
20 C-HEAVY SML LASER
21 C-HEAVY MED LASER
22 C-HEAVY LRG LASER
23 C-ER MICRO LASER
24 C-ER SML LASER
25 C-ER MED LASER
26 C-ER LRG LASER
27 C-MICRO PULSE LASER
28 C-SML PULSE LASER
29 C-MED PULSE LASER
30 C-LRG PULSE LASER
31 C-ER PPC
32 C-ATM 3
33 C-ATM 6
34 C-ATM 9
35 C-ATM 12
36 C-LRM 5 + ARTEMIS
37 C-LRM 10 + ARTEMIS
38 C-LRM 15 + ARTEMIS
39 C-LRM 20 + ARTEMIS
40 C-SRM 2 + ARTEMIS
41 C-SRM 4 + ARTEMIS
42 C-SRM 6 + ARTEMIS
43 C-STREAK SRM 2
44 C-STREAK SRM 4
45 C-STREAK SRM 6
46 C-NARC
47 C-AMS
48 C-LASER AMS
49 C-AC/2 AMMO
50 C-AC/5 AMMO
51 C-AC/10 AMMO
52 C-AC/20 AMMO
53 C-LB2-X AC AMMO
54 C-LB5-X AC AMMO
55 C-LB10-X AC AMMO
56 C-LB20-X AC AMMO
57 C-ULTRA AC/2 AMMO
58 C-ULTRA AC/5 AMMO
59 C-ULTRA AC/10 AMMO
60 C-ULTRA AC/20 AMMO
61 C-GAUSS RIFLE AMMO
62 C-MACHINE GUN AMMO
63 C-LIGHT MACHINE GUN AMMO
64 C-HVY MACHINE GUN AMMO
65 C-ATM AMMO
66 C-LRM AMMO
67 C-LRM + ARTEMIS AMMO
68 C-SRM AMMO
69 C-SRM + ARTEMIS AMMO
70 C-STREAK SRM AMMO
71 C-NARC AMMO
72 C-AMS AMMO
73 C-AC/2 AMMO 1/2 TON
74 C-AC/5 AMMO 1/2 TON
75 C-AC/10 AMMO 1/2 TON
76 C-AC/20 AMMO 1/2 TON
77 C-LB2-X AC AMMO 1/2 TON
78 C-LB5-X AC AMMO 1/2 TON
79 C-LB10-X AC AMMO 1/2 TON
80 C-LB20-X AC AMMO 1/2 TON
81 C-ULTRA AC/2 AMMO 1/2 TON
82 C-ULTRA AC/5 AMMO 1/2 TON
83 C-ULTRA AC/10 AMMO 1/2 TON
84 C-ULTRA AC/20 AMMO 1/2 TON
85 C-GAUSS RIFLE AMMO 1/2 TON
86 C-MACHINE GUN AMMO 1/2 TON
87 C-LIGHT MACHINE GUN AMMO 1/2 TON
88 C-HVY MACHINE GUN AMMO 1/2 TON
89 C-ATM AMMO 1/2 TON
90 C-LRM AMMO 1/2 TON
91 C-LRM + ARTEMIS AMMO 1/2 TON
92 C-SRM AMMO 1/2 TON
93 C-SRM + ARTEMIS AMMO 1/2 TON
94 C-STREAK SRM AMMO 1/2 TON
95 C-NARC AMMO 1/2 TON
96 C-AMS AMMO 1/2 TON
97 C-LIGHT ACTIVE PROBE
98 CLAN ACTIVE PROBE
99 TARGETING COMP. MK I
100 TARGETING COMP. MK II
101 TARGETING COMP. MK III
102 TARGETING COMP. MK IV
103 TARGETING COMP. MK V
104 TARGETING COMP. MK VI
105 TARGETING COMP. MK VII
106 CLAN DOUBLE HEAT SINK
107 CLAN SINGLE HEAT SINK
108 CLAN JUMP JET CLASS I
109 CLAN JUMP JET CLASS II
110 CLAN JUMP JET CLASS III
111 CLAN JUMP JET CLASS IV
112 CLAN JUMP JET CLASS V
113 CLAN MASC I
114 CLAN MASC II
115 CLAN MASC III
116 CLAN MASC IV
117 CLAN ECM
118 IS-AC/2
119 IS-AC/5
120 IS-AC/10
121 IS-AC/20
122 IS-LB2-X AC
123 IS-LB5-X AC
124 IS-LB10-X AC
125 IS-LB20-X AC
126 IS-ROTARY AC/2
127 IS-ROTARY AC/5
128 IS-ULTRA AC/2
129 IS-ULTRA AC/5
130 IS-ULTRA AC/10
131 IS-ULTRA AC/20
132 IS-GAUSS RIFLE
133 IS-LIGHT GAUSS RIFLE
134 IS-HEAVY GAUSS RIFLE
135 IS-MACHINE GUN
136 IS-LIGHT MACHINE GUN
137 IS-HVY MACHINE GUN
138 IS-FLAMER
139 IS-TAG
140 IS-SML LASER
141 IS-MED LASER
142 IS-LRG LASER
143 IS-ER SML LASER
144 IS-ER MED LASER
145 IS-ER LRG LASER
146 IS-SML PULSE LASER
147 IS-MED PULSE LASER
148 IS-LRG PULSE LASER
149 IS-PPC
150 IS-ER PPC
151 IS-LIGHT PPC
152 IS-HEAVY PPC
153 IS-SNUB-NOSE PPC
154 IS-LRM 5
155 IS-LRM 10
156 IS-LRM 15
157 IS-LRM 20
158 IS-LRM 5 + ARTEMIS
159 IS-LRM 10 + ARTEMIS
160 IS-LRM 15 + ARTEMIS
161 IS-LRM 20 + ARTEMIS
162 IS-MRM 10
163 IS-MRM 20
164 IS-MRM 30
165 IS-MRM 40
166 IS-SRM 2
167 IS-SRM 4
168 IS-SRM 6
169 IS-SRM 2 + ARTEMIS
170 IS-SRM 4 + ARTEMIS
171 IS-SRM 6 + ARTEMIS
172 IS-STREAK SRM 2
173 IS-STREAK SRM 4
174 IS-STREAK SRM 6
175 IS-ROCKET LAUNCHER 10
176 IS-ROCKET LAUNCHER 15
177 IS-ROCKET LAUNCHER 20
178 IS-NARC
179 IS-AMS
180 IS-LASER AMS
181 IS-AC/2 AMMO
182 IS-AC/5 AMMO
183 IS-AC/10 AMMO
184 IS-AC/20 AMMO
185 IS-LB2-X AC AMMO
186 IS-LB5-X AC AMMO
187 IS-LB10-X AC AMMO
188 IS-LB20-X AC AMMO
189 IS-ROTARY AC/2 AMMO
190 IS-ROTARY AC/5 AMMO
191 IS-ULTRA AC/2 AMMO
192 IS-ULTRA AC/5 AMMO
193 IS-ULTRA AC/10 AMMO
194 IS-ULTRA AC/20 AMMO
195 IS-GAUSS RIFLE AMMO
196 IS-LIGHT GAUSS RIFLE AMMO
197 IS-HEAVY GAUSS RIFLE AMMO
198 IS-MACHINE GUN AMMO
199 IS-LIGHT MACHINE GUN AMMO
200 IS-HVY MACHINE GUN AMMO
201 IS-LRM AMMO
202 IS-LRM + ARTEMIS AMMO
203 IS-MRM AMMO
204 IS-SRM AMMO
205 IS-SRM + ARTEMIS AMMO
206 IS-STREAK SRM AMMO
207 IS-NARC AMMO
208 IS-AMS AMMO
209 IS-AC/2 AMMO 1/2 TON
210 IS-AC/5 AMMO 1/2 TON
211 IS-AC/10 AMMO 1/2 TON
212 IS-AC/20 AMMO 1/2 TON
213 IS-LB2-X AC AMMO 1/2 TON
214 IS-LB5-X AC AMMO 1/2 TON
215 IS-LB10-X AC AMMO 1/2 TON
216 IS-LB20-X AC AMMO 1/2 TON
217 IS-ROTARY AC/2 AMMO 1/2 TON
218 IS-ROTARY AC/5 AMMO 1/2 TON
219 IS-ULTRA AC/2 AMMO 1/2 TON
220 IS-ULTRA AC/5 AMMO 1/2 TON
221 IS-ULTRA AC/10 AMMO 1/2 TON
222 IS-ULTRA AC/20 AMMO 1/2 TON
223 IS-GAUSS RIFLE AMMO 1/2 TON
224 IS-LIGHT GAUSS RIFLE AMMO 1/2 TON
225 IS-HEAVY GAUSS RIFLE AMMO 1/2 TON
226 IS-MACHINE GUN AMMO 1/2 TON
227 IS-LIGHT MACHINE GUN AMMO 1/2 TON
228 IS-HVY MACHINE GUN AMMO 1/2 TON
229 IS-LRM AMMO 1/2 TON
230 IS-LRM + ARTEMIS AMMO 1/2 TON
231 IS-MRM AMMO 1/2 TON
232 IS-SRM AMMO 1/2 TON
233 IS-SRM + ARTEMIS AMMO 1/2 TON
234 IS-STREAK SRM AMMO 1/2 TON
235 IS-NARC AMMO 1/2 TON
236 IS-AMS AMMO 1/2 TON
237 IS-GUARDIAN ECM
238 IS-BEAGLE ACTIVE PROBE
239 IS-COMMAND CONSOLE
240 IS-TARGETING COMP. MK I
241 IS-TARGETING COMP. MK II
242 IS-TARGETING COMP. MK III
243 IS-TARGETING COMP. MK IV
244 IS-TARGETING COMP. MK V
245 IS-TARGETING COMP. MK VI
246 IS-TARGETING COMP. MK VII
247 IS-TARGETING COMP. MK VIII
248 IS-CASE
249 IS-STD HEAT SINK
250 IS-DOUBLE HEAT SINK
251 IS-MASC MK I
252 IS-MASC MK II
253 IS-MASC MK III
254 IS-MASC MK IV
255 IS-JUMP JET CLASS I
256 IS-JUMP JET CLASS II
257 IS-JUMP JET CLASS III
258 IS-JUMP JET CLASS IV
259 IS-JUMP JET CLASS V

Edited by gooddragon2, 21 December 2017 - 11:28 PM.

[Khobai]

when you kill someone you should just be able to steal their stuff lol. I wish PGI put that into faction warfare. Actual logistics and salvage. And IS being able to salvage clan mechs and clan tech over time. maybe even let clans scuttle their downed mechs to prevent IS from capturing them.

a minigame is too much effort to do what shoulve been included in the game from the start :\

Edited by Khobai, 21 December 2017 - 08:33 PM.

[Ted Wayz]

Khobai, on 21 December 2017 - 08:27 PM, said:

when you kill someone you should just be able to steal their stuff

Not really. Just because you kill someone doesn't mean your team won. If you cannot secure the battlefield no salvage.

[Khobai]

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Not really. Just because you kill someone doesn't mean your team won. If you cannot secure the battlefield no salvage.

ok if you kill someone, and win, and they didnt get a chance to blow it up, you get to steal their stuff

[Kaeb Odellas]

I don't know why you'd need a random table. Just take salvage from mech components that weren't destroyed in the match.

[MechaBattler]

No salvage mechanic feels like such a missed mechanic in this game. At this point though it's whatever. Just wait for MW5.

[Khobai]

what makes you think MW5 will get right what MWO failed to

and if PGI knows MWO not having those things is a problem, enough to add them to MW5, why havent they added them to MWO?

[N0ni]

Welp, i tried it. Can't say i didn't. Never again.

[gooddragon2]

N0ni, on 21 December 2017 - 10:41 PM, said:

Welp, i tried it. Can't say i didn't. Never again.

Were you able to afford it ?

EDIT:
Also two things, firstly going to add another condition [You must have received a salvage bonus from the mission, which means you lived and won (I think)].

A possible implementation in the game could be the option to buy a randomly selected piece of a equipment at 90% market price from your winnings if you got a salvage bonus.

Edited by gooddragon2, 22 December 2017 - 12:04 AM.

[N0ni]

Good thing the winning and surviving condition was already met when i did mine!

[MechaBattler]

Khobai, on 21 December 2017 - 10:35 PM, said:

what makes you think MW5 will get right what MWO failed to

and if PGI knows MWO not having those things is a problem, enough to add them to MW5, why havent they added them to MWO?

Because it doesn't have the hindrance of being a free to play online pvp game. MW5 will be about managing your unit, so salvage will have to play a key role in the game.

[Darrious Quinn]

Khobai, on 21 December 2017 - 10:35 PM, said:

what makes you think MW5 will get right what MWO failed to

and if PGI knows MWO not having those things is a problem, enough to add them to MW5, why havent they added them to MWO?

In addition to MechaBattlers comment;
MWO didn’t fail in its salvage mechanic because it has never and was never going to be a feature in the game.

I ask this…
How would you determine, divide, and balance salvage off of a single destroyed mech from a QP match? I’d like to hear your idea. After considering mech chassis, how it was destroyed and surviving components (including armor because armor is valid salvage) you have to look into right of claim based on Killing blow? HAH! Right.. I can see how that would go already! Oh wait, then you could potentially have up to TWELVE ASSITING MECHS on one salvageable target. You wouldn’t be able to allow player to ‘pick’ their salvaged parts based on whatever metric you choose. You’d spend as much time in the salvage screen as you would the mech bay. So now you’re assigning salvage to the player with the most generic measurable metric as “damage done” and odds are (seeing how this crowd is) the assigned salvage will be nothing useful short of selling it anyway.

BUT WAIT!! THERES MORE!
Now.. NOW.. you have to process, store, and calculate all of this information, in real time, for ALL destroyed mechs in the match, for the end of the match! People have been crying about load times since creation, imagine what calculations like that would do.

12 possible mech destructions.

1 player with the kill, 11 players as potential assists.

Salvage rewards granted on “Damage Done”.

“Salvage Winners” are prioritized for all mechs destroyed.

Salvageable Items are determined from all destroyed mechs.

Salvageable items for each mech are prioritized according to “Metric-X” and assigned to winners.


Those calculations for every mech in a match.. oh wait.. right.. Cant forget FP, multiple all that by FOUR due to multiple drops. Oh and then… this is all happening simultaneously, across all servers, after every single match.

Welcome to Loading Screen Warrior Online. Please wait while we process your salvage from the match you played 30 minutes ago.

MWO isn’t a Lore based game… and Salvage, the concept, logic, and purpose of it is Lore driven. Why do I need to salvage that PPC off a WarHammer when my WarHammer was insta-repaired at the end of the match? Why do you think we get currency compensation for everything in a match now? Hell next I bet they’ll be rewarding Cbills to us just for walking our mech around the map showing we are actively playing and not AFK.

The only method I can see as being a half-assed effective method of Salvage would be the complete rework of the Loot Chests, which I know, it’s coming, but I mean a loot chest system that isn’t buried behind the micro-transactions of buying keys. Those can exist alongside, but leave them separate with MC item rewards.

Imagine you win match. Everyone receives a Salvage or Bonus crate. No key to open it. You won, you earned it. This Bonus Crate could have basic NON-MC items in it from armor, equipment, weapons to even a whole mech. Totally random based on the current in-game CBill equipment/Mech lists.
Done. Dumbed down, no fuss, and easy. The Bonus Crate system doesn’t have to make LORE sense because the Lore to support logical and correct Salvage doesn’t exist in the game and never will!

Sigh….. I am like way off topic.
Sorry OP... too much effort to play a mini-game like that.

Edited by Darrious Quinn, 22 December 2017 - 10:14 AM.

[Khobai]

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Because it doesn't have the hindrance of being a free to play online pvp game. MW5 will be about managing your unit, so salvage will have to play a key role in the game.

you can still have salvage in a multiplayer game, i dont see how thats a hindrance

[gooddragon2]

Khobai, on 22 December 2017 - 11:06 AM, said:

you can still have salvage in a multiplayer game, i dont see how thats a hindrance

Just as I said, make it an option to get a random piece of equipment at a 10% discount (like how it says you can purchase this bonus if you aren't using premium time at the end of a match). Not lore friendly, but it's something.

Also, I admit that I created this thread a bit more for my purposes than anything else, but also to allow others to use it if they wanted.