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[Xetelian]

I plan to do all my FP through scouting because I don't want to spend 30 minutes per drop to earn the bags.

Getting 250 in scouting is possible but it is much higher than 150 in QP with only 4 v 4 instead of 12 v 12.


Can you please lower this so those of us that don't want to do 30 minute drops all day can get our faction play done without a horrendous grind?


Thanks!

[Bombast]

The 250MSR is almost certainly there to force you into Invasion. There's no other possible reason.

That being said, it really should be dropped. 250 is still fairly high for small groups and solo players, especially during events where there's a lot of units running around, clubbing the absolute **** out of all the people who never touch FP, hate it, and just want some loot bags and a mechbay.

[FupDup]

Unlike Trick or Treat, the bonus bags aren't enough this time around to bypass the CW requirement. If you want to get the free mech/bay you have to subject yourself to the cesspool that is CW.

I'm not taking the bait. None of those gundams are worth the pain, especially not because they're just purely standard variants.

[Nightbird]

streaks in scouting makes it easy... just get 500 damage

[Xetelian]

Khobai, on 15 December 2017 - 09:01 PM, said:

they should just make it 200

and not allow scout matches to count

How about they make it 150 like quick play and have Scout matches count?


Just because you need seals to club doesn't mean we all should be forced to be seals.

[Khobai]

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How about they make it 150 like quick play and have Scout matches count?

quickplay should be 200 too

150 is too easy, it doesnt encourage people to try hard enough

[Exard3k]

Khobai, on 15 December 2017 - 09:08 PM, said:

quickplay should be 200 too

150 is too easy, it doesnt encourage people to try hard enough

Agree. Or people just boat LRMs for dmg to skyrocket their match score.

250 is pretty hard for most of my unit members in FP.

150 QP = too easy
250 CW = too hard

switch them around and it will be fine.

[SteelMantis]

On the one hand Faction play events are just bad, they force people into FP who can't handle it and some of whom probably end up quiting MWO and cost us population. Especially the recent events which are hard to do in scouting.

On the other hand maybe I'll be able to get some FP drops in instead of sitting in queue till I give up.

[Bombast]

SteelMantis, on 15 December 2017 - 10:24 PM, said:

On the one hand Faction play events are just bad, they force people into FP who can't handle it and some of whom probably end up quiting MWO and cost us population. Especially the recent events which are hard to do in scouting.

On the other hand maybe I'll be able to get some FP drops in instead of sitting in queue till I give up.

Two of the reasons why FP should have been scrapped in its entirety and replaced with something else years ago. Fixing this busted crap pile only makes it worse.

[MortallyTransparentCupcake]

People actually get less than 250 match score in scouting..?

[Bombast]

MortallyTransparentCupcake, on 15 December 2017 - 10:32 PM, said:

People actually get less than 250 match score in scouting..?

Most people don't brake 250. In fact, I think its actually statistically impossible for more than 4 people to break 250, unless every single mech goes down to 20% before dying. And statistically unlikely for more than 2 people to do it per match.

Edited by Bombast, 15 December 2017 - 10:41 PM.

[Mechrophilia]

MortallyTransparentCupcake, on 15 December 2017 - 10:32 PM, said:

People actually get less than 250 match score in scouting..?

Absolutely! Remember we're talking match score, not damage score. When my scout-team consists of 4 good players, we sometimes kill the enemy so quickly and efficiently that only one of us has a match score above 250.

I've been in more than a couple scout matches where no one, on either side, got a 250 !!

[Exard3k]

SteelMantis, on 15 December 2017 - 10:24 PM, said:

...they force people into FP...

No one forces anyone to do FP. It's a bonus, not a mandatory item you have get.

If you don't want to play FP, then don't.

[Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood]

Its pretty obvious that they just want to reward people who are playing Invasion, of course its going to be harder to get it in scouting.


Also, what's with people always mad about FP events "forcing" you to play a mode you don't like? They're just giving rewards to those players who play FP, if you don't like the mode then just stay out of it instead of whining about not getting stuff you aren't working to get. The FP guys aren't complaining whenever there are the more common quickplay only events out that they get nothing from while playing invasion.

Edited by Dakota1000, 15 December 2017 - 10:53 PM.

[Bombast]

Dakota1000, on 15 December 2017 - 10:51 PM, said:

Its pretty obvious that they just want to reward people who are playing Invasion, of course its going to be harder to get it in scouting.

One of the problems is that, for small groups/solo players, Invasion can actually be harder to get 250 in than Scouting. It's so easy for big groups to completely shut down an opposing team.

Of course, the obvious answer is 'Git gud and get in a group.' That wonderful little statement that ensures FP is empty most of the time.

[MortallyTransparentCupcake]

Mechrophilia, on 15 December 2017 - 10:45 PM, said:

Absolutely! Remember we're talking match score, not damage score. When my scout-team consists of 4 good players, we sometimes kill the enemy so quickly and efficiently that only one of us has a match score above 250.

I've been in more than a couple scout matches where no one, on either side, got a 250 !!

Sounds questionable to me.

[Bombast]

MortallyTransparentCupcake, on 15 December 2017 - 10:55 PM, said:

Sounds questionable to me.

It sounds like you've never played scouting to me.

[Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood]

Bombast, on 15 December 2017 - 10:55 PM, said:

One of the problems is that, for small groups/solo players, Invasion can actually be harder to get 250 in than Scouting. It's so easy for big groups to completely shut down an opposing team.

Of course, the obvious answer is 'Git gud and get in a group.' That wonderful little statement that ensures FP is empty most of the time.

I'm incredibly out of touch with the community here. I honestly don't find it hard to get high scores in FP even solo. On wins I'll often survive with only a single mech lost and like seeing if I can keep my first drop Hellbringer in a 100% combat effective state the whole time while still racking up top damage.

I just wish that PGI would give a bag for every 250 points you get, not just once per match that gets 250 points. When I go and get 1000 matchscore I kinda wish I'd get 4 bags for that instead of just one.

If I haven't made at least 750 damage with my first drop then it feels like a failure, yet some people don't manage 750 with all their mechs combined. The player skill difference is interesting to see.

[Xetelian]

Khobai, on 15 December 2017 - 09:08 PM, said:

quickplay should be 200 too

150 is too easy, it doesnt encourage people to try hard enough

Does the average potato really need encouragement to put on their highest damage built mech (LRMs or Streaks) and spray and pray all over the enemy getting decent match scores but doing very little overall?

[Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood]

Xetelian, on 15 December 2017 - 11:24 PM, said:

Does the average potato really need encouragement to put on their highest damage built mech (LRMs or Streaks) and spray and pray all over the enemy getting decent match scores but doing very little overall?

They'll do it anyway.