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[Commander A9]

Yeah, someone at PGI want to explain to me why Tharkad is back in IS hands if the capital is supposedly locked to Clan ownership?

[ccrider]

I asked nicely for it to be given back. Clanners need to learn manners if they want the nice stuff.

[Tarl Cabot]

I am interested in that too. It is possible, once the stats came back that someone higher up decided to that the original stalemate was the correct position. Even though Matt made a mistake, it was not remedy until after the fact. Though if Tharkad had been setup the same as Luthien, the Clans would have still captured it instead of it initially being a stalemate (tie).

Or it will be reversed again later on. /shrugs..

More than one person is definitely not taking their meds like they should be...

Edit - one of the stat percentages were also wrong - IS Win/Loss Ratio: 9339/8145 = 1.45 pointed out in another post 1.14

Edited by Tarl Cabot, 23 December 2017 - 12:51 AM.

[Johnathan Tanner]

Commander A9, on 22 December 2017 - 09:19 PM, said:

Yeah, someone at PGI want to explain to me why Tharkad is back in IS hands if the capital is supposedly locked to Clan ownership?

Cuz spamming scouting doesn't win planets A9

[xX PUG Xx]

Guerilla warfare conducted by the Free Potato Army has finally overthrown the solahma troops left behind to garrison the world. Long live the revolution!!

[Ductus Hase]

What about the rewards for winning the battle and holding the planets tag?

[B0oN]

ccrider, on 22 December 2017 - 09:32 PM, said:

I asked nicely for it to be given back. Clanners need to learn manners if they want the nice stuff.

But, but, but .... ccrider ?!?!!
I sent my formal request of annexation in triplicate to the correct points of administration so that all the transition would be smooth and nice, and even with my added extra bonus of 1 chocolate cigarette added to the requests this is all I get ?

Mehhhh, what a letdown even in matters of bureaucracy the IS is, bah

[Davegt27]

I thought I looked at it the other day and the 79th something something

had the planet tag (I think don't shoot me if I am wrong)

I also notice a ton of unit tags are missing so its either a glitch or a FP soft reset

[Alexandra Hekmatyar]

House Steiner representatives made a deal with House Marik to buy up all our Space Bacon to feed it to Jade Falcon occupying Tharkad.
The Falcons couldn't control their appetite and ate it all up making them gain so much weight that they couldn't move to their Mech cockpits in time so all their Mechs got destroyed and Steiner liberated Tharkad.

[MischiefSC]

No, Clans met Katrina, decided she was just the wrong kind of crazy and made the only smart tactical decision in their history -

They packed up and moved out. Cuz that ***** be cray-cray.

[ccrider]

B0oN, on 23 December 2017 - 04:22 AM, said:

But, but, but .... ccrider ?!?!!
I sent my formal request of annexation in triplicate to the correct points of administration so that all the transition would be smooth and nice, and even with my added extra bonus of 1 chocolate cigarette added to the requests this is all I get ?

Mehhhh, what a letdown even in matters of bureaucracy the IS is, bah

Your mistake was sending chocolate. As a former Davion loyalist, my hair is ridiculously sexy. Chocolate in the mail doesnt beat a super model filling out the paperwork. You better work.

Edited by ccrider, 23 December 2017 - 08:44 AM.

[FallingAce]

This Just in from PGI:



Don't know if it was a tie or an I.S. win. The one thing it was not was a clan victory.

3173 Seige matches
I.S. won 52.76%
Clans won 47.24%

14,311 Scouting matches
I.S won 53.56%
Clan won 46.44%

[MischiefSC]

So, it was just the last couple of days that the mercs flipped back?

If call it an IS win. First one ever - almost sad given that only 2 merc units moved.

[Commander A9]

Johnathan Tanner, on 22 December 2017 - 10:19 PM, said:

Cuz spamming scouting doesn't win planets A9

Which is why I dropped once in Scouting for the MC, then stopped doing it.

MischiefSC, on 23 December 2017 - 12:24 PM, said:

So, it was just the last couple of days that the mercs flipped back?

If call it an IS win. First one ever - almost sad given that only 2 merc units moved.

But it's a capital planet won by Clans in an event...which strangely enough had no after-action news page made about it...and capital planets can't be flipped without an event...

...unless PGI forgot to flip said 'lock' switch. XD

And if THAT'S the case, Clans should be able to take Luthien. XD

Works both ways, boys.

Edited by Commander A9, 23 December 2017 - 01:08 PM.

[Tarl Cabot]

It was flipped a short while after the stats were posted. Has anyone tweeted Russ or Matt about it? Whether it was a bug or intentional, only PGI can acknowledge that.

Edited by Tarl Cabot, 23 December 2017 - 01:12 PM.

[FallingAce]

Commander A9, on 23 December 2017 - 01:00 PM, said:

But it's a capital planet won by Clans in an event...which strangely enough had no after-action news page made about it...and capital planets can't be flipped without an event...

...unless PGI forgot to flip said 'lock' switch. XD

And if THAT'S the case, Clans should be able to take Luthien. XD

Works both ways, boys.

This guy disagrees with you

Commander A9, on 27 November 2017 - 09:34 PM, said:

Clans had the majority during Luthien. How is that not a win for the Clans if we apply the Tukayyid competition standards, and said renewed standards which now address how Tharkad was supposed to have been decided?

That aside, I don't recall the $4,000,000 C-Bills based on victory conditions ever being advertised in the first place...

Guys, the wrong key was pressed...come on...are we hanging a man over typing 0 instead of 1?

"Clans I.S. had the majority during Luthien Tharkad . How is that not a win for the Clans I.S. if we apply the Tukayyid competition standards, and said renewed standards which now address how Tharkad was supposed to have been decided?"

Works both ways?


Somehow both ways favor the Clans.

[Tarl Cabot]

I am wondering if after the stats were reviewed along with how Matt had NOT double checked his work, which would have set the ToW to show the correct position of where the Winning "V" rested at, ie in the middle of the bar by his reckoning, someone reverted "his" decision, his decision which was meant to almost guarantee a winner one way or another. Sorta like meaning to move and mark the finish line back 90m but not announcing it until after the race had been completed.

[Commander A9]

FallingAce, on 23 December 2017 - 10:47 AM, said:

This Just in from PGI:



Don't know if it was a tie or an I.S. win. The one thing it was not was a clan victory.

3173 Seige matches
I.S. won 52.76%
Clans won 47.24%

14,311 Scouting matches
I.S won 53.56%
Clan won 46.44%

Now you know how Clans felt about Luthien.

Did anyone else bother to read the rules of the Faction Warfare 'season' and 'capital planet' system when they were first introduced? The idea was that a capital planet could be attacked only once. Clans can't take Luthien since IS 'won' the planet, and IS therefore shouldn't be able to take Tharkad since Clans 'won' that planet.

That's how the system was written. I don't think it's a good system, but that IS the system according to PGI...

Edited by Commander A9, 23 December 2017 - 06:43 PM.

[Tarl Cabot]

Commander A9, on 23 December 2017 - 06:41 PM, said:

Now you know how Clans felt about Luthien.

Did anyone else bother to read the rules of the Faction Warfare 'season' and 'capital planet' system when they were first introduced? The idea was that a capital planet could be attacked only once. Clans can't take Luthien since IS 'won' the planet, and IS therefore shouldn't be able to take Tharkad since Clans 'won' that planet.

That's how the system was written. I don't think it's a good system, but that IS the system according to PGI...

Technically the Clans have not lost a Capitol conflict, as long as PGI is using the ToW bar, it is either Clan win/tie(stalemate)/IS win, depending on where the count of the last battle lands on. As of Friday and the switch (temporary that it might be) they have not won a Capitol planet but they have not LOST yet either, both ended up in a stalemate/tie. For the Clans to have lost the IS forces needed to be on the other side of the ToW pass the winning point.

By omission what PGI has failed to do, since there are three possible results for each conflict, is to describe what happens when neither side actually wins but ends up in a stalemate/tie, or as PGI storyline went with Luthien, a Pyrrhic victory.

This is where PGI needs to provide a 3rd option, if not for this season then definitely for the next season. The assaulting faction can get a second chance at a Capitol planet if the first event for that Capitol ends in a stalemate/tie, but only after another Capitol has been assaulted and that Faction is still surrounded the besieged Capitol or surrounds it again. Treat it like with a double elimination bracket.

Hai, with this in place it would mean that an assault could be made on Luthien once more, as it is still surrounded and Tharkad event has taken place.

And I would be okay with that, as long as someone does not furbar things and set the winning goal line to be one win for either side, which in imho is total BS, among other things.

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If the Clans are able to win an IS Capital Planet Conflict, their forces are considered to have conquered and seized that Capital. As reward (in addition to any Rewards associated with a special Event, if one occurs) Clans may be provided with a portion of additional territory surrounding that Capital Planet, the size and shape of which will be determined at the time based on the state of the Inner Sphere Map at that time. If necessary, this territory will likely be split between the four Clans to ensure voting avenues are not negatively affected in subsequent conflict phases. Ownership over the Capital Planet itself will be determined by whichever Clan contributed most toward the victory.

If the Clans are defeated in an IS Capital Planet Conflict, they are no longer able to launch attacks against that Capital Planet for the rest of the Season; they must re-focus their efforts on other Capitals throughout the Inner Sphere. The Clans may additionally be required to surrender a portion of the territory gained in their advance to that Capital, a decision to be made according to the state of the Map at that time and the respective progress of both Factions.

If the Clan forces are able to win 3 IS Capital Planet Conflicts throughout the Season, the Clans will emerge victorious and the Season will come to an end.

If the Clan forces lose 3 IS Capital Planet Conflicts throughout the Season, they will no longer be able to meet the requirements for total victory. As a result, the Inner Sphere will emerge as victorious and the Season will come to an end.

Edited by Tarl Cabot, 23 December 2017 - 09:18 PM.

[Johnathan Tanner]

Commander A9, on 23 December 2017 - 06:41 PM, said:

That's how the system was written. I don't think it's a good system, but that IS the system according to PGI...

Have you read the terms of service for this game? Everything is subject to revision at any time by PGI without any notice. And can be applied retroactively. #NKVAWASRIGHT