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[DaisuSaikoro Nagasawa]

Howdy,

I'm confident my current laptop is going to fail at MWO and so I'm looking to buy a new rig before the Founders Closed Beta opens. Currently I have:


Video Card - EVGA 012-P3-1570-AR GeForce GTX 570 (Fermi) 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card

PSU - ENERMAX NAXN 82+ ENP650AWT B 650W ATX12V 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply

Memory - G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-1600C9D-16GXM

MB - ASRock Z77 Pro4 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
Item #: N82E168

CPU - Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4000 BX80637I53570K

Blu-Ray Burner - LG Black 14X BD-R 2X BD-RE 16X DVD+R 5X DVD-RAM 12X BD-ROM 4MB Cache SATA BDXL Blu-Ray Burner with SW, 3D Play Back - BH14NS40

Case - COOLER MASTER Elite 430 RC-430-KWN1 Black Steel / Plastic Computer Case
Item #: N82E

HDD - Crucial M4 CT064M4SSD2 2.5" 64GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)

This comes out to just above ~1025$ through New Egg.

Questions:

Do I really need a Blu Ray Burner or will a Blu Ray Player suffice (I have a DVD Burner in my Mac Pro)?
Is it justifiable getting an i7 Ivy Bridge CPU for 100$ more?
How big of a PSU would be minimum for this rig (reading the pinned forum, 500W with no OC)?
Are solid state drives worth it? It would be a boot disk and I could get a traditional hard drive later (I have plenty of storage in my Mac Pro currently).
Are there any comparable stores to newegg in the US (zipzoomfly used to be a good site).
Any mobos comparable for the price tag of 100$

Anything that I'm missing ?

Thanks for your time and consideration.

Dice

[Oderint dum Metuant]

A couple of issues.

CPU- No the I7 is not worth it, the I5 is fine.

RAM- Drop down too 8GB, 16GB is a complete and utter waste for gaming.

GPU- the 570 is a good GPU, just not for the price its at, for the same price or slightly more depending on brand you can purchase a HD 7870
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814161411
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814131476

If your saying you would have upgraded to an I7 for another $100 you'd be better off putting that into
http://www.newegg.co...ion=670&x=0&y=0

PSU- Do not like, multi rail with an output around 600W not 650, do not cheap out on PSU.
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16817207014

Also the case you have is the same as mine, its a bit meh on the room inside, and although with great effort tidy cabling can be done its more hassel than in a better case.

Edited by DV McKenna, 24 July 2012 - 12:48 AM.

[Dodger79]

It depends on what you are going to do with it. If don't go for video editing the i5 is just perfect and an i7 would be a waste of money. Same for the RAM: 16GB are good for video editing, for gaming 8GB are enough. The motherboard is really good. But if you don't need all of its features the Pro3 would do an excellent job, to. You do not need such a big power supply unit. If you choose a good manufacturer (for example Enermax, Seasonic, bequiet) 430-450W would be enough. And currently there are no real arguments for the quite old GTX 570. Either wait for the GTX 660 or get an AMD 7870. And i personally would not buy a new PC without a SSD, i simply love the speed of it. Oh, and if you need a BluRay-burner or not depends on if you want to burn BluRays ;-) A simple DVD-ROM would get the machine working, too.

[Ramius Hazen]

Agree with those above. Dedicated gaming?

8GB is fine. 16GB is overkill.

Probably won't get any more FPS out of an i7 than you will out of a good i5 in today's games.

Might want to consider low profile RAM but, as it looks like you're going with the stock CPU cooler in this build, shouldn't be too much of an issue.

I opted for just a basic 24x ODD for install. Already have Blu-ray & DVD r/w elsewhere.

I elected not to use the current craze of SDD w/ HDD combo. Don't really care about texture load times or OS boot up time for my rig. Just FPS. Not an issue. Just a nice to have and shaves $1-200 off the price of any build sticking with just an HDD.

If you can make some of the recommended adjustments and find the extra $130 in your budget, I recommend upgunning the gpu to the EVGA GTX 670 FTW. It outpaces a stock GTX 680 and will crush anything you throw at it right now.

I HIGHLY recommend Newegg. Everything I ordered from them late on 07/21 will be here today with their standard shipping. The stuff I ordered from Amazon at almost exactly the same time hasn't even shipped yet. If I had it to do over again, it'd be worth the few extra bucks for fast turn around time. (I've been PENDING for a long time but never patient LOL)

[DaisuSaikoro Nagasawa]

Howdy,

So taking into account what you fine warriors have said... I'm basically looking at (for a gaming rig):

Sticking with an i5 Ivy Bridge
Getting an inexpensive optical drive.
Dropping the memory to 8GB (likely just 1 stick)
Looking at a more reliable brand PSU even if the wattage is 450-600W.

With the drop in money for the memory and optical drive look into getting:

GTX 670 or an HD 7870 for around 400$

Excellent. I really appreciate the feedback DV McKenna, Dodger79, and Ramius Hazen.

Btw, Ramius... pending but not patient, yet boot time means little huh? I appreciate where you put your priorities.

Oh, and it's good to know that newegg is still the force it once was. They were always quality.

[Vulpesveritas]

If I may recommend, you will get more out of lowering the CPU slightly, increasing your graphics power, getting a better power supply, and keeping away a blue ray drive.

The Geforce GTX 570 is a good card, but you can do better at your price:

Case: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16811148060
PSU: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16817182263
Motherboard: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16813157266
CPU: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819106010
GPU: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814125423
RAM: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16820231461
HDD: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16822136769 (or swap for one of the SSDs below. SSDs are worth it for the speed if you already have a storage medium available)
ODD: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16827135204
OS: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16832116986
Heatsink: stock
TIM: stock

Sale Combos: http://www.newegg.co...st=Combo.986424
Promo Codes: HARDOCPX718A

If you don't need an OS, then change out the motherboard and CPU for either;
An SSD:\
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16820226236
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16820167121
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16820147133
or
Motherboard+CPU: http://www.newegg.co...st=Combo.984224

Edited by Vulpesveritas, 24 July 2012 - 08:59 AM.

[DaisuSaikoro Nagasawa]

Vulpesveritas, on 24 July 2012 - 08:52 AM, said:

If I may recommend, you will get more out of lowering the CPU slightly, increasing your graphics power, getting a better power supply, and keeping away a blue ray drive.

The Geforce GTX 570 is a good card, but you can do better at your price:

Thank you so much sir. Much appreciated. Pretty crazy for you to go through all the effort but it really is appreciated.

It's interesting how things have bounced back and forth. I'll have to look into the AMD offerings. I glanced over them even though I used to be quite the fan.

[Vulpesveritas]

Daisu Saikoro, on 24 July 2012 - 09:02 AM, said:

Thank you so much sir. Much appreciated. Pretty crazy for you to go through all the effort but it really is appreciated.

It's interesting how things have bounced back and forth. I'll have to look into the AMD offerings. I glanced over them even though I used to be quite the fan.

As far as it is, any AMD Phenom II X4 or better CPU should run any game fine, although Intel does have an advantage in single threaded tasks, and older games, most modern games run more or less just as well on an AMD X4 as on an Intel i5, where the difference in price rarely, at least in my opinion, justifies the difference in price. The reason for that games don't have such of a difference, is things are moving more multithreaded and graphics oriented in the current and foreseeable future market.

[DaisuSaikoro Nagasawa]

Yes, I will not be worrying about the OS so much.

I appreciate the SSD recommendations. It's interesting to see how views are so mixed on the subject.

Would anyone happen to know of any SSD/traditional hard drive hybrids... are those even possible? Do they exist?

daisu

[Ramius Hazen]

There are ssd/hdd combos. But, having no experience with them, I wouldn't venture to recommend one. Of course Tom's Hardware, Overclock.net and Newegg.com are all great places to start research. Or one of our resident hardware gurus may come along and provide a concise evaluation. GL

[Vulpesveritas]

Daisu Saikoro, on 25 July 2012 - 01:30 PM, said:

Yes, I will not be worrying about the OS so much.

I appreciate the SSD recommendations. It's interesting to see how views are so mixed on the subject.

Would anyone happen to know of any SSD/traditional hard drive hybrids... are those even possible? Do they exist?

daisu

They exist, but aren't that great. You're better off running a pure SSD for your OS and commonly used programs, and a hard drive for your general data.

[Tombstoner]

http://www.ibuypower.com/lobby.aspx

hard to top this sight. if you can please link.

i use a 60g SSD for my main os drive and select games, with a 2T secondary for everything else.
it takes longer to boot the bios then to load the OS.

Edited by Tombstoner, 25 July 2012 - 02:07 PM.

[Vulpesveritas]

Tombstoner, on 25 July 2012 - 02:04 PM, said:

http://www.ibuypower.com/lobby.aspx

hard to top this sight. if you can please link.

i use a 60g SSD for my main os drive and select games, with a 2T secondary for everything else.
it takes longer to boot the bios then to load the OS.

Building your own is still a far better deal, and then there is their main competitor;
http://www.cyberpowerpc.com
Which the two go back and forth on value.

[Ramius Hazen]

Agree with Vulpe on ibuypower and cyberpower. My config I just bought would've run me a bit over $100 more from either of those two vendors. That may be worth it if you don't want the hassle of building it all yourself, installing software, etc. Or if you want them to handle overclocking or other advanced configs.

[DaisuSaikoro Nagasawa]

Thankfully, I do love the hassle. I'm just a geek at heart, but it is good to know that there is another option.

And thanks for the data. The more I read, unless I'm using a laptop (meh) it seems to be that the hyprid is using a ssd/traditional hard drive instead of an actual combo drive.

Ahh, exciting times.

[Hellgardia]

Using the budget you posted (1025$) here's a suggestion:

Case - NZXT Source 210 Elite - 49.99$ (39.99$ with promo code NZXT727)
PSU - CORSAIR TX650 V2 650W - 89.99$ (76.49$ with promo code Corsair724)
Motherboard - ASRock Z77 Extreme4 - 114.99$
CPU - Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz - 229.99$ (195.49$ with promo code BTS504)
Cooler - COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 EVO - 34.99$
Memory - G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) - 45.99$
GPU - MSI GeForce N670 PE 2GD5/OC Twin Frozr IV Thermal Design - 429.99$
SSD - Crucial M4 CT064M4SSD2 2.5" 64GB SATA III - 70.99$
ODD - LG DVD Burner GH24NS90 - 16.99$

Total - 1083.91$

Total using promo codes - 1025.91$

Edited by Aniquilator6, 27 July 2012 - 01:03 AM.

[sNeepTray]

I wanted to asc if a 700W power suply is good enough for my build?

CPU: Intel i5 3570k
GPU: Gainward GTX 680 phantom
RAM: corsair vengeance 12GB@1600mhz
MBO: MSI Z77MA-G45
HDD: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 7200rpm
Case: Thermaltake V9 BlacX edition

[DaisuSaikoro Nagasawa]

Btw, I just wanted to thank everyone for their help. I put a system together that is really just the **** when it comes to the new game. I may even try MW:Legends now that I have a decent rig to play games with

Khan DaisuSaikoro nagasawa

[Dymitry]

Daisu Saikoro, on 17 August 2012 - 05:47 PM, said:

Btw, I just wanted to thank everyone for their help. I put a system together that is really just the **** when it comes to the new game. I may even try MW:Legends now that I have a decent rig to play games with

Khan DaisuSaikoro nagasawa

Hey, you need to tell us the specs!