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[Throe]

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Edited by Throe, 20 November 2018 - 11:34 AM.

[N0ni]

Assassin = Light mech confirmed?

Literally comparing 30 tons to 40 tons. Of course the 40 tonner is going to be better.

[Xiphias]

N0ni, on 04 December 2017 - 03:53 PM, said:

Assassin = Light mech confirmed?

Literally comparing 30 tons to 40 tons. Of course the 40 tonner is going to be better.

Arctic Cheetah vs Spider 5D then.

The problem with the 5D is that it is hardpoint starved (rescale didn't help either). Unless it gets more hardpoints or serious quirks I don't see it being good. Spider 5V is still one of the worst mechs though.

The meta has moved on and the 5D's day is over. It's not the first mech to have it happen.

[Throe]

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Edited by Throe, 08 November 2018 - 03:11 PM.

[Bud Crue]

N0ni, on 04 December 2017 - 03:53 PM, said:

Assassin = Light mech confirmed?

Literally comparing 30 tons to 40 tons. Of course the 40 tonner is going to be better.

According to the lords of balance, rather than “Of course the 40 toner is going to be better” than the 30 toner, it should be (and last they claimed it is in fact this way according to their data) that the 30 toner and the 40 toner are equally viable and neither is notably better than the other.

Meh. Spider 5D may or may not be obsolete in view of the Assassin specifically, but it is and has been for a long time, garbage in and of itself.

Edited by Bud Crue, 04 December 2017 - 04:08 PM.

[Makenzie71]

My only problem with Assassins (and Spiders, really) have been the people playing in them. About one in ten do the thing where they stay behind me and core me. Everyone else tries to do a hit and run...and they always seem to run away Prometheus-style. Now, when they targeted me they saw I was running a two-gauss TBR...and it goes poorly for them.

(do not run away from your enemies Prometheus-style)

That said, I still think the Assassin is going to be a hard run to really usurp the 5D. I might have to buy one and play with it. I mean, it's a bigger mech...of course it's going to have a higher weapons capacity and might be faster...but it's not like lights are walking lumps of firepower. Carrying another small laser isn't going to be very helpful in and of itself. It's fast, has ECM, and jump jets and can carrying a couple lasers...when it comes to lights it's hard to get better than that.

Edited by Makenzie71, 04 December 2017 - 04:29 PM.

[N0ni]

Throe, on 04 December 2017 - 04:06 PM, said:

You're creating your own straw man to argue against. I'm not even trying to argue anything here. Just looking for some honest discussion on the topic I've posted. No where did I call the Assassin a Light 'Mech. Thanks for trying to derail.

Throe, on 04 December 2017 - 03:45 PM, said:

For the longest time, the Spider 5D has been the only IS Light 'Mech in the game with the ability to both carry ECM and JJ. That was it's niche. While technically, everything about that statement is still true, there is another now, and it makes the Spider 5D obsolete in nearly every way.

Ladies and GentleMechs, I give you the Assassin-27:
https://mwo.smurfy-n...9fb9bb7d1b03ab5

You have been D E D U C E D.

[Makenzie71]

Throe said:

No. I haven't. You're ignoring the statement just before "there is another now" which reads, "While technically, everything about that statement is still true...".

Please stop trying to derail the thread, sir.

Saying "there is now another option" is rather different than saying "this one is now obsolete". The word obsolete generally means the item in question is no longer effective or worth considering. So someone's confusion that you had intended this thread to inform people that their options have been expanded is understandable considering your wording.

Edited by Makenzie71, 04 December 2017 - 04:41 PM.

[N0ni]

And there isn't really anything to compare the Spider 5D to. It's been left behind with its lack of hardpoints that new tech doesn't really save. All it has going for it is being that annoying little mech that you usually kill last because of its speed, jets, and small profile.

[Throe]

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Edited by Throe, 08 November 2018 - 03:11 PM.

[stealthraccoon]

Spider gets single digit wait times and it more difficult to hit.Try it with 3 MPL’s and get your ninja on.

You’re welcome:
[smurfy]http://mwo.smurfy-ne...9d6a1a1222998a3[/smurfy]

Edited by stealthraccoon, 04 December 2017 - 04:59 PM.

[Throe]

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Edited by Throe, 08 November 2018 - 03:11 PM.

[ThreeStooges]

ach makes all is lights obsolete. Why would any one clan side ever take a non ach except for triple and quad ams?

[Throe]

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Edited by Throe, 08 November 2018 - 03:11 PM.

[LT. HARDCASE]

The problem is that you never realized that the Spider 5D has always been irrelevant. Light with ECM and JJs has never been a niche that got many people to pilot the thing.

Edited by LT. HARDCASE, 04 December 2017 - 07:10 PM.

[Khobai]

the assassin pretty much makes every other mech obsolete

its stupid how buggy its hitboxes are. I played a game yesterday where I hit an assassin square in the center torso with a 100 damage alpha. It shouldve killed it outright. But somehow it walked away from it with minimal damage. Like two thirds of my damage didnt even register.

its hitboxes are even worse than the spiders used to be. it desperately needs its hitboxes redrawn.

but yeah the spider probably needs a hardpoint update as well. give it some extra hardpoints so it can compete better.

Edited by Khobai, 04 December 2017 - 08:14 PM.

[Throe]

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Edited by Throe, 08 November 2018 - 03:11 PM.

[kesmai]

blasphemer(s)

Edited by kesmai, 02 January 2018 - 03:27 PM.

[Mole]

My Spider is still plenty deadly. I mean I know it's not meta but you slap ECM and 3 MPLs on it with max engine and jumpjets I can deliver 18 damage to wherever I want on the battlefield every 2.8 seconds. Nobody'd be laughing at it if the thing were running around at 140kph with an AC/20 and enough ammo to feed it. Well it's just two damage points shy of an AC/20 with half the cooldown time before it can fire again.


EDIT: Hold on. I just started tinkering with my 5D in the 'mechlab and I came up with something entirely new. I need to test this. SDR-5D

Edited by Mole, 02 January 2018 - 03:46 PM.

[Sunstruck]

The Spider is not obsolete, because it helped my team easily win conquest mode on Terra Therma in CW the other day. It quickly capped points, reverse capped points near the enemy base, then prevent the enemy back capping with the ERLL, all the while only taking up 30 tons of my drop deck weight, leaving room for a better heavy mech in my drop deck.

You can put 2 strikes on it a ERLL+ML and still get decent damage.