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[Koniving]

Hit the Deck, on 07 January 2018 - 06:28 AM, said:

I know what you did there, Alex!

That is cute.

But to mention it, the iconic "Holes" in the Fafnir are actually supposed to be the barrels for the twin Heavy Gauss.

Similar to how the Hollander, despite being exceptionally large for a Light Mech, also sports a BIG gun for the standard Gauss...


since Gauss Rifles are one of the only "one shot full damage" weapons in BT lore, the others being PPCs and Missiles. As I've recently learned, Mortars do deliver full (2) damage per shell but even they fire one shell per digit, so a Mortar/8 actually fires 8 shells in a ten second cycle [actual firing time is closer to 4-6 seconds depending on what you read] to accumulate 16 damage.

ACs, even the highest caliber UAC/20 at 203mm and exclusive to the Ebon Jaguar, has two barrels and on Ultra Fire will shoot from both barrels...twice in a full firing cycle. (Meaning 4 shots = 40 damage.) (Not to mention that BT's Long Tom and the AC/20 are both "5 uses" per ton, however a Long Tom can deliver up to 270 damage across a range of (and I know I just recently did a post saying 180 meters with 165 being the technical, but I was mistaken, the diameter is 150 meters flat), spread over several targets. An AC/20 can cap out at 28 damage with all the rules enabled (mostly enhanced by Direct Blow) in the same source material. Why? Easy, the Long Tom's actually firing shells weighing close to 400 lbs each. The AC/20 [IS] has anywhere from shells weighing close to 100 lbs each [185mm Chemjet Gun] (4 shots = 20 damage per reload, 5 reloads per ton comes out to 20 shots per ton) to 4 lbs each [30 - 40mm Pontiac 100] (100 shots per reload, 5 reloads per ton. That's 500 shots per ton). Note that's assuming that the "ammo bins" holding the ammo is weightless, so the ammo is clearly lighter than that per shot.

So yeah. I thought that was a fun discovery to add to what I already knew. Always wondered about those giant holes in the past long before I knew about Heavy Gauss; when I was younger and having not played MW4 until after MWO, I thought those were jump jet turbines for uh...moving forward/backward at ramming speed? Yeah I didn't get lore-knowledgeable until after getting into MWO.

Anyway...knowing those are supposed to be Heavy Gauss Barrels and an idea of how big those are supposed to be... how devastating it is to be hit by the only weapon in Battletech history that can deliver 25 damage in a single shot, when nothing can even do 20 damage in a single shot... and nothing else can surpass 15 damage in a single hit... and then to see how it's done in MWO as just a 'meh' thing because of PGI's design decisions....
....just tells me how this mech is gonna disappoint me.

Edited by Koniving, 07 January 2018 - 07:10 PM.

[MeiSooHaityu]

The Fafnir may be a cool mech, and pretty dangerous, but it is UUUUUGGGGLLLYYY.

[Grimlock Magnus]

I immediately thought of Wall-E...

[Sjorpha]

With volumetric scaling the Fafnir might end up rather small and compact.

[xVLFBERHxT]

Sjorpha, on 08 January 2018 - 06:03 AM, said:

With volumetric scaling the Fafnir might end up rather small and compact.

I thought the same. Like the Dire Wolf.

[ROSS-128]

You know, I've always found that bit of AC lore to be kind of funny in light of the AC variants that I'm pretty sure were added after it was written.

Like, let's say I were to design a hypothetical AC/30. According to lore, it would be perfectly valid for me to say that AC/30 actually fires 6 5-damage rounds for a total of 30 damage.

So, while I'm at it say I happen to also make a UAC/15, and say that it fires 3 5-damage rounds to do 15 damage, and because it's a UAC it can double-tap to get 6 rounds and 30 damage.

So, lore-wise, what is actually the difference between the AC/30, UAC/15, and the RAC/5?

Edited by ROSS-128, 08 January 2018 - 08:05 AM.

[Tom Sawyer]

[Lozruet Gravemind]

ROSS-128, on 08 January 2018 - 08:05 AM, said:

You know, I've always found that bit of AC lore to be kind of funny in light of the AC variants that I'm pretty sure were added after it was written.

Like, let's say I were to design a hypothetical AC/30. According to lore, it would be perfectly valid for me to say that AC/30 actually fires 6 5-damage rounds for a total of 30 damage.

So, while I'm at it say I happen to also make a UAC/15, and say that it fires 3 5-damage rounds to do 15 damage, and because it's a UAC it can double-tap to get 6 rounds and 30 damage.

So, lore-wise, what is actually the difference between the AC/30, UAC/15, and the RAC/5?

Difference would be the spread/damage applied and the Jam Chance. Now Id say its more likely a AC 30 would fire 3 10 damage shells than 6 5 damage shells. First this would mean more damage to each part a shell hit, one hits CT, RT, and RA for 10 Damage each with the 30 versus 6 rounds each dealing only 5 from the RAC 5. Second AC lore wise was a Jam Chance with each shell, meaning a theoretical AC 30 would have 2-3 chances to jam, cant remember if there was a jam chance on the first round, where the RAC would have 2-6 chances to Jam. Also the potential lose on when the Cannon Jammed, jams on second shot the 30 got 10 damage out while the RAC only got 5.

This is speaking Lore wise, as rules wise if I remember you didnt roll for each round it was just a it jams or doesnt.

Edited by Lozruet Gravemind, 08 January 2018 - 10:15 AM.

[C E Dwyer]

I suppose I'm being to optimistic

To hope the wrap around plates of the side torso's would shrink or expand, depending on the size of the weapon payload mounted in them.

[Lanzman]

I don't generally do well in assaults anyway, and this thing looks like a walking target. Even more than the Annihilator or Nightstar. That said, I might have to get it just for the whole "owl" thing.