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[Douglas grizzly]

while i realize it does exist i still would like to read the lore on this mech.

[Bombast]

Sarna.net said:

The Fafnir was intended to become Defiance Industries of Hesperus' flagship BattleMech. The slow assault design serves as a platform for the pair of "Thor's Hammers". The Fafnir is built on a lightweight Foundation Type 220 Endo Steel chassis that is capable of supporting the Fafnir's massive weapons payload and armor while weighing half as much as a standard chassis. To power this massive 'Mech, a Vlar 300 fusion engine gives the Fafnir a top speed of 54 km/h. The Fafnir is protected by nineteen and a half tons of Durallex Special Heavy V2 armor, giving it almost as much armor as the entire mass of some light 'Mechs. The Fafnir has CASE in both of its side torsos to protect it from secondary damage if one of the Heavy Gauss Rifles are damaged. Finally, for protection from enemy electronic warfare systems, the Fafnir has a Guardian ECM Suite.

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Fafnir

But, I mean... really? You've playing Mechwarrior for far too long to not know where to find this stuff.

Edited by Bombast, 07 January 2018 - 03:26 PM.

[Douglas grizzly]

its not always easy to find on a drop of a hat. thx for the link though

[Jackal Noble]

Bombast, on 07 January 2018 - 03:26 PM, said:

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Fafnir

But, I mean... really? You've playing Mechwarrior for far too long to not know where to find this stuff.

Kind of like the smoke at the bottom of the screen being animated.

[Bombast]

Douglas grizzly, on 07 January 2018 - 04:08 PM, said:

its not always easy to find on a drop of a hat. thx for the link though

-Google.com
-Search bar
-[Mech Name] + sarna

Easily found before the hat falls to the floor.

JackalBeast, on 07 January 2018 - 04:30 PM, said:

Kind of like the smoke at the bottom of the screen being animated.

I can see how that would be a surprising find, if the bottom of your screen is usually obscured by a different kind of smoke...

[Koniving]

What if he wanted to know what novels featured the mech?

o.O;
Wouldn't mind a mech list per novel myself...

[Internal Obedience XIII-omega]

One would think sarna.net be bookmarked literally by everyone that plays this game.

[BarHaid]

Well, let's be nice about this. Randall's lore write-ups have much more embellishments than just the Sarna entry. I always look forward to whatever battle scenario Mr. Bills has for us.

[ANOM O MECH]

Douglas grizzly, on 07 January 2018 - 03:20 PM, said:

while i realize it does exist i still would like to read the lore on this mech.

Are you sure it wasn't hax?

I mean it could have been hacked right off the interwebs, right?

[Steel Raven]

Koniving, on 07 January 2018 - 04:46 PM, said:

What if he wanted to know what novels featured the mech?

o.O;
Wouldn't mind a mech list per novel myself...

Peter Steiner-Davion piloted a Fafnir during the final battle of the FedCom Civil War on Tharkad in End Game
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Endgame
https://store.cataly...endgame-digital

[CycKath]

BarHaid, on 07 January 2018 - 08:50 PM, said:

Well, let's be nice about this. Randall's lore write-ups have much more embellishments than just the Sarna entry. I always look forward to whatever battle scenario Mr. Bills has for us.

Which also interests me given Wrath is based off a Jihad custom variant...

[FLG 01]

Koniving, on 07 January 2018 - 04:46 PM, said:

What if he wanted to know what novels featured the mech?

o.O;
Wouldn't mind a mech list per novel myself...

As said, the only CBT novel with the Fafnir is Endgame, the final novel of the FCCW-ark. Returning from exile, Peter Steiner-Davion leads a pan-Lyran coalition against his aunt Nondi Steiner who rules the Lyran Alliance in Katherine's name. Peter uses a captured Fafnir in the campaign of Tharkad, painted blue and gold - the colours of the Royal Guards.

There are some other short stories like Thirteen, and perhaps the Fafnir appears in some DA novels. The Fafnir is relatively frequently mentioned in source books, since it is a Steiner signature Mech. One of the newer entries is in the FM:3145 e.g., reporting that a Fafnir downed a Clan dropship.

As far as the other post FCCW-update releases and their appearences in CBT novels are concerned, it is a damn short list.

• Sun Spider: none
  
• Piranha: none
  
• Black Lanner: Operation Audacity, Prince of Havok, Falcon Rising
  
• Hellspawn: none
  
• Thanatos: none
  
• Osiris: none
  
• Nightstar: Flashpoint, Patriots and Tyrants, Endgame
  
• Arctic Wolf: Path of Glory
  
• Nova Cat: ? (hard to search since it is the name of the Clan..., but I am sure there is something in Path of Glory at least)
  
• Uziel: none
  
• Mad Cat MkII: none
  
• Annihilator: Main Event
  
• Cougar: Operation Audacity

The video game originals, be it MW:4 or MWO, simply do not appear in the novels, being retconned (if that), and are generally insignificant in the lore.

CycKath, on 08 January 2018 - 02:53 AM, said:

Which also interests me given Wrath is based off a Jihad custom variant...

Well, at least there is some canon to it, and I don't think there is a FCCW custom Fafnir. I guess they just say the Mech is from the Jihad or don't mention it at all. I am quite sure the novel Endgame cannot be overwritten.

It's not like PGI cares all that much about timeline and technology anyway, when it comes to the hero Mechs. Hi There and Darkdeath e.g. are from the 3rd SW (and likely stock...), yet PGI stuffed them with LosTech to the max.

[H I A S]

Internal Obedience XIII-omega, on 07 January 2018 - 07:52 PM, said:

One would think sarna.net be bookmarked literally by everyone that plays this game.

What is Sarna?

[Metus regem]

H I A S, on 08 January 2018 - 01:38 PM, said:

What is Sarna?

In the even't that you are serious, Sarna.net is the place to find the lore and load out to go along with most mechs found in the Battle Tech universe, the other location is the Master Unit List.

[CK16]

FLG 01, on 08 January 2018 - 01:24 PM, said:

Snip

That list does make me quite sad, and can tell there was not alot of connection between the novels and game devs at that time. Besides the general story....

Be nice if they did feature some in the novels, still wanting the lore written about the Mk II done, assuming the Death Stikers is from Clan Diamond Shark Alpha Galaxy, if not a keshik member or higher ranking officer. And also retcon some of the more lose facts ect.

Uziel would be a good candidate to have a lore write up as well to maybe fix some wrongs and elaborate more on the chassis as a whole (not saying make it an all star again, but maybe something about revisions ect to the Chassis)...

I wish more lore was up lately though

[FLG 01]

CK16, on 08 January 2018 - 02:00 PM, said:

That list does make me quite sad, and can tell there was not alot of connection between the novels and game devs at that time. Besides the general story....

The problem is simply that the story of the FCCW was already done when MW:4 Mercs came out. Technically Endgame and MW:4 Mercs were released the same year but the FCCW story was planned long before that, and I suspect the authors drafted their novels quite a bit in advance. The most recent publications/TROs they were using is the Field Manual Series from 2000, I think. Most prominent in the novels are Mechs from the TROs 3055 and 3058, which is sensible as the FCCW was fought 3062-3067. You'd be surprised how often you meet a Falconer or a Dragon Fire (which would both be excellent Mechs for MWO!).

Anyway, I don't think Microsoft was overly concerned with canonicity. The MW:4 look of the Hellhound e.g. is simply the result of MS wanting less humanoid looking Mechs and tasking the artist with a redesign - that's it. The Uziel was just a scetch someone liked and wanted in game iirc. And so on. There were no deep lore reasoning or so; it was all about the rule of cool.
The MechWarrior and the BattleTech IPs were in two different hands as well, and FASA Studios belonged to MS, not to the FASA Corporation. Overall I am under the impression MS did not care much about BT.

TRO:3067 tried to tie in the MW:4-originals as best as possible, and some got a plausible backstory too (some did not), but obviously you could not rewrite the novels and other sourcebooks.

[Kalimaster]

I would like to see this Mech in a trial build before I invest even a single C-Bill in it. While it looks neat, I wanna test drive the puppy first to see if I like it. Then I will decide. Sorry PGI.

[Metus regem]

FLG 01, on 08 January 2018 - 02:53 PM, said:

The problem is simply that the story of the FCCW was already done when MW:4 Mercs came out. Technically Endgame and MW:4 Mercs were released the same year but the FCCW story was planned long before that, and I suspect the authors drafted their novels quite a bit in advance. The most recent publications/TROs they were using is the Field Manual Series from 2000, I think. Most prominent in the novels are Mechs from the TROs 3055 and 3058, which is sensible as the FCCW was fought 3062-3067. You'd be surprised how often you meet a Falconer or a Dragon Fire (which would both be excellent Mechs for MWO!).

Anyway, I don't think Microsoft was overly concerned with canonicity. The MW:4 look of the Hellhound e.g. is simply the result of MS wanting less humanoid looking Mechs and tasking the artist with a redesign - that's it. The Uziel was just a scetch someone liked and wanted in game iirc. And so on. There were no deep lore reasoning or so; it was all about the rule of cool.
The MechWarrior and the BattleTech IPs were in two different hands as well, and FASA Studios belonged to MS, not to the FASA Corporation. Overall I am under the impression MS did not care much about BT.

TRO:3067 tried to tie in the MW:4-originals as best as possible, and some got a plausible backstory too (some did not), but obviously you could not rewrite the novels and other sourcebooks.

Not to mention the MW4 mercs called the Uziel "a great little mech" and the Mad Cat Mk. II an Omnimech....

Still think the Mad Cat Mk. II should've been an 85t Omni called the Alpha Wolf or some such... it would've at least had more in common with the Timber Wolf then, other than rough looks....

[Armorine]

FLG 01, on 08 January 2018 - 01:24 PM, said:

• Mad Cat MkII: none

it makes major appearances in the dark age novels. thats the only mentions i know of it...im rereading the entire series so ill find out eventually if its mentioned elsewhere

[FLG 01]

Yes, that's true. The list is for the Classic BattleTech novels, which usually excludes the MW:DA novels. It seemed apt since we mainly deal with FCCW-era lore.