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[Abisha]

Hi,

been a fan of MWO quite a while but i think they need to adjust their sale settings.
I not gonna spend 45 Euro's to get a hero mech while if i wait a few months i can buy it for 1/4 of the price in MC.


what i like to see is sales of Hero mechs for 15 Euro's only packages then i might spend money faster on this game it's not like it's the only game on the market

[Shifty McSwift]

What I would like to see is a shift away from mechs being the point of repeat sales, the need to sell shinier and cooler mechs that draw people who own 500 other mechs to want to spend cash on, leads to some real powercreepage, and also doesn't really allow much leeway when editing those mech's values later on.

[JediPanther]

You can always get the lowest priced light hero mechs if you want to do the cheapest route of getting and using a 30 percent boosted mech. Sales on heroes are pretty slow for pgi normally around major holidays like Christmas for 30-50% off. some times you can win mc from events so one long method is just to stock pile all the mc while avoiding the mc consumables making sure the auto fill is not on.

Pgi should do more 20-35% sales though out the year saving the higher 45-50% off for major holidays. Last time I looked I had a nice collection of 29 c-bill boosted mechs that I bought either from packages,al la carte, must have (for me) heroes, or a free loyalty mech(s.) I didn't buy them all at once but spread out though out all the years I've been playing the game.

[Black Fish]

Shifty McSwift, on 14 January 2018 - 11:29 PM, said:

What I would like to see is a shift away from mechs being the point of repeat sales, the need to sell shinier and cooler mechs that draw people who own 500 other mechs to want to spend cash on, leads to some real powercreepage, and also doesn't really allow much leeway when editing those mech's values later on.

This..
I wish they would find another good revenue that isn't mech packs. Decals seem to be working fine, and I do hope that the solaris' cosmetics will also help.
As to the powercreepage I'm not really sure that's the main issue.. people wont spend money on mechs just to get the best mech around (except some cases like the MKII)... As much as I don't like to admit it - it's a good way to make the game dynamic.
Also I think 80%+ of all my mechs\colors\heroes were purchased on sale...

Edited by Black Fish, 14 January 2018 - 11:42 PM.

[Shifty McSwift]

Black Fish, on 14 January 2018 - 11:42 PM, said:

This..
I wish they would find another good revenue that isn't mech packs. Decals seem to be working fine, and I do hope that the solaris' cosmetics will also help.
As to the powercreepage I'm not really sure that's the main issue.. people wont spend money on mechs just to get the best mech around (except some cases like the MKII)... As much as I don't like to admit it - it's a good way to make the game dynamic.
Also I think 80%+ of all my mechs\colors\heroes were purchased on sale...

Fair point, even if mechs weren't the main point of sale, there would likely still be new mech releases that qualify as powercreep, true enough, I just think the current model leans to heavily toward "QQ new mech is P2W" or "What noob is going to pay cash for such a crapmech" kinds of attitudes/complaints, and it leaves the devs unable to do things like lower the arms on a nightstar without having to fold to community outlash in the foprm of wallet closures/cancelations.

[Dogstar]

I'm finding that with the new skill tree PGI's insistence on selling you a mech pack with 3-7 mechs in it to be a real pain, I'd much rather buy mechs individually (or not at all). what it amounts to is that you pay $70 for the hero and get a bunch of other mechs that you don't really want thrown in so you just give it a miss instead.

Plus there's barely any difference between them other than a hardpoint or two - that's not a good selling point either.

[arcana75]

Today, console games are sold at launch at US$59.99 and many buy it. Wait 3 months and it drops to US$39.99. Wait longer and it drops to as low as $9.99 or lower depending on demand. Just because one person buys games at those bargain bin prices, doesn't mean the market shouldn't sell at premium prices, since there is a market for those things at premium prices because some people want these things earlier than others.

Also, if the framework of sales becomes liberated, where heroes and reinforcements (invariably superior variants) are not locked behind a 3-mech paywall, who would buy variants? Everyone would dive for hero mechs. Would you pay extra eg 30% more say $20 for a $15 hero mech, if you could buy past the 3-mech paywall? You might, but someone would say no. See what I did there?

Unfortunately, I think it's going to stay as it is for now. But if anything I'd like to see a small discount for buying the complete pack.

[Abisha]

arcana75, on 15 January 2018 - 04:21 AM, said:

Today, console games are sold at launch at US$59.99 and many buy it. Wait 3 months and it drops to US$39.99. Wait longer and it drops to as low as $9.99 or lower depending on demand. Just because one person buys games at those bargain bin prices, doesn't mean the market shouldn't sell at premium prices, since there is a market for those things at premium prices because some people want these things earlier than others.

Also, if the framework of sales becomes liberated, where heroes and reinforcements (invariably superior variants) are not locked behind a 3-mech paywall, who would buy variants? Everyone would dive for hero mechs. Would you pay extra eg 30% more say $20 for a $15 hero mech, if you could buy past the 3-mech paywall? You might, but someone would say no. See what I did there?

Unfortunately, I think it's going to stay as it is for now. But if anything I'd like to see a small discount for buying the complete pack.

I got time lots of time more then PGI for that matter see who holds up longer i bet i do.

[Kotzi]

Well its supply and demand, simple as that. If people are willing to pay why should they change the concept?

[Jonathan8883]

I would not buy a pre-order pack, but a single pre-order at $10 with some premium time attached (in lieu of a c-bill bonus) might be do-able.
However, 5 customers like me are worth less than one who drops $70 on an ultimate pack.

[Nema Nabojiv]

Jonathan8883, on 15 January 2018 - 06:38 AM, said:

I would not buy a pre-order pack, but a single pre-order at $10 with some premium time attached (in lieu of a c-bill bonus) might be do-able.
However, 5 customers like me are worth less than one who drops $70 on an ultimate pack.

Apparently PGI thinks the $70 group is way bigger than $10 one. Maybe they are right to think so. After all, who needs 5 piranhas or three fafnirs if you can buy just the one you want?

Edited by Nema Nabojiv, 15 January 2018 - 07:02 AM.

[Asym]

Shifty McSwift, on 14 January 2018 - 11:47 PM, said:

Fair point, even if mechs weren't the main point of sale, there would likely still be new mech releases that qualify as powercreep, true enough, I just think the current model leans to heavily toward "QQ new mech is P2W" or "What noob is going to pay cash for such a crapmech" kinds of attitudes/complaints, and it leaves the devs unable to do things like lower the arms on a nightstar without having to fold to community outlash in the foprm of wallet closures/cancelations.

AND, Shifty, it is hugely successful and MWO keeps repeating the same thing because you guys buy the same things, over and over and over again !

I've said this a dozens times: simply stop buying..... It is the only way PGI will listen: after all, they are providing what you'all want apparently and then, nerfing the new mechs lines and repeating the process !!!! It's the only way to exit the linear sale paradigm they are in !

Edited by Asym, 15 January 2018 - 07:53 AM.

[Dogstar]

Jonathan8883, on 15 January 2018 - 06:38 AM, said:

However, 5 customers like me are worth less than one who drops $70 on an ultimate pack.

Don't worry they're doing their best to get rid of $10 customers like you in favour of $70 customers. Shouldn't be long now...

[sycocys]

Most of us in closed lobbied right from the get-go to keep purchases for cosmetics (patterns, colors, bolt-ons, hud/pilot customization and such) and premium time only that all went out the window when they released the Yen-Lo with a unique pattern.

[Shifty McSwift]

Asym, on 15 January 2018 - 07:52 AM, said:

AND, Shifty, it is hugely successful and MWO keeps repeating the same thing because you guys buy the same things, over and over and over again !

I've said this a dozens times: simply stop buying..... It is the only way PGI will listen: after all, they are providing what you'all want apparently and then, nerfing the new mechs lines and repeating the process !!!! It's the only way to exit the linear sale paradigm they are in !

I hardly think my ~$250 AUD spent here spurs any kind of developmental policy, whether forward or backward.

Edited by Shifty McSwift, 15 January 2018 - 08:12 AM.

[Dee Eight]

How much "time" you don't get back in life is your money worth to you ? You might be dead in 3 months.

[Shifty McSwift]

Dee Eight, on 15 January 2018 - 08:30 AM, said:

How much "time" you don't get back in life is your money worth to you ? You might be dead in 3 months.

Some have more money than time and others more time than money, hence why a pay to avoid grind system is good in general.

[UnofficialOperator]

Selling cheap to get more people to buy in only works if you have a large population.

Its a chicken and egg thing.

[Alkabides]

Dogstar, on 15 January 2018 - 07:59 AM, said:

Don't worry they're doing their best to get rid of $10 customers like you in favour of $70 customers. Shouldn't be long now...

Absurd statement. Arguably best loyalty mech from last year you got for just purchasing any amount of mc. There have been several mc sales in last few months, not to mention very generous challenge rewards. Players who are on a budget have been treated very fairly.

I believe it's being missed that mech packs come with premium time, cockpit items, decals, cbills and sometimes colors. You're getting more than just the mechs with the purchase. Granted, harder to see the value of packs when considering omnis but battlemech variants are useful. Assassin pack is a good example of this.

[Abisha]

Dee Eight, on 15 January 2018 - 08:30 AM, said:

How much "time" you don't get back in life is your money worth to you ? You might be dead in 3 months.

tomorrow is promised to nobody, you might buy a 70 package and getting killed the next day.
that's none conclusive and none sense logic you apply.