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[Y E O N N E]

Ah yes, the only faction more Mary Sue than both Davion and Wolf.

[dante245]

ok. well two diferent sources saying two different things. ive not had the pleasure to read the books much. in my source those two united GB and FRR thru marriage and finalized the formation of the RD.

[dante245]

FLG 01, on 18 January 2018 - 05:53 PM, said:

They were not even born when the FCCW ended. They are characters of the 32nd century, featured in ER:3145 for example. Even if they were married (I don't recall that they are), it means nothing for the 3060ies.

I don't know what the problem is. The sources are crystal clear: the merger between GDB and FRR did not start before the Jihad, was essentially done by the end of it, and formalized in 3103.

http://www.battletec...erseGuide-1.pdf check out this PDF. this is the lore im guessing your using

Edited by dante245, 18 January 2018 - 07:11 PM.

[FLG 01]

dante245, on 18 January 2018 - 06:34 PM, said:

ok. well two diferent sources saying two different things. ive not had the pleasure to read the books much. in my source those two united GB and FRR thru marriage and finalized the formation of the RD.

There is only one canon, and that's not subject to debate. Even if Bekker and Miraborg married (what source do you have for that anyway?), that happened in the 32nd century and is utterly irrelevant for the FCCW-era. Did you really miss that Hjalmer Miraborg was born in 3105? That's 38 years after the FCCW's end.

I have listed and quoted the canon sources in detail. In 3067, Ghost Bear Dominion and FRR were two different states, and they did not even start official negotiations about a merger yet.

dante245, on 18 January 2018 - 06:44 PM, said:

http://www.battletec...erseGuide-1.pdf check out this PDF. this is the lore im using

You may want to have a look at the map on p.19.
This guide accurately says the FRR and Ghost Bears are two seperate sates in 3067.

Edited by FLG 01, 18 January 2018 - 06:48 PM.

[dante245]

that is im guessing where your coming from. but i never played table top. we are giong off of this lore and sarna. http://www.sarna.net...lhague_Dominion

and here.. http://www.geocities...ia/ras_dom.html

and here...http://enacademic.com/dic.nsf/enwiki/2636580

Edited by dante245, 18 January 2018 - 07:11 PM.

[FLG 01]

dante245, on 18 January 2018 - 07:05 PM, said:

that is im guessing where your coming from. but i never played table top. im going off of the current lore and sarna. http://www.sarna.net...lhague_Dominion

and here.. http://www.geocities...ia/ras_dom.html

and here...http://enacademic.com/dic.nsf/enwiki/2636580

It's not about Table Top. Again: Sarna is a fan project, merely reproducing information from the canon sources (and some apocryphal sources too) as best as possible. Sometimes there are errors, inaccuracies, and misunderstandings.

That's is why it is best to rely on the canon sources itself. In case of the Sarna-entry on the Rasalhague Dominion it is simply that the entry also deals with the Ghost Bear Dominion which was founded in 3060, and later absorbed the remnants of the FRR. If you actually read the Sarna-article, you will find that it accurately says negotiations about a merger between GBD and FRR were started in 3070. It is the second paragraph under "History".
The paragraph's footnote precisely references the source book I have already quoted on the matter.

Your second link quotes DA: Touring the Stars - which I have quoted already, too: "The Ghost Bear Dominion formally became the Rasalhague Dominion—an equal blend of Clan and Inner Sphere—with the election of its first Prince, saKhan Ragnar Magnusson, in 3103."

Your third link also correctly states: "Founded as the Ghost Bear Dominion originally in 3060 later changed to the Rasalhague Dominion with the official union with its "equal but separate" symbiotic/protectorate state, the Free Rasalhague Republic, in the year 3103."

But again, all this information is simply a reproduction of what I have already quoted from the actual canon sources. There is a Free Rasalhague Republic in 3067, and there is a Ghost Bear Dominion. But there is no Rasalhague Dominion.

[dante245]

first off..the argument is really not helping. in an effort for accuracy..you seem to forget that MWO is a dying game, IS is far behind in factions over Clan, and PGI knows it. frankly any excuse to reinvigorate the game and still stay at least somewhat with in cannon should be the goal. your missing the big picture. in trying to argue sarna"

• Founding Year: 3060" your also killing the only real effort to give a crap about this game in a long time. and sarna is a fairly reliable source, and if we went your way, this game would be discontinued before we reached the "PROPPER' timeline for the Rasalhague Dominion, which is a legitimate, real, and important faction in the MW universe. we have 7 clans now and prob more will be coming, and no one has made any attempt to argue for improvements in this area, like out worlds alliance or Comstar or any other faction not mainstream. and for people who seem to not care, being the many issues currently found withing MWO, this at least gives people a chance to role play as a love faction, build the divide between clan IS tech/ units, and possible introduce allot of changes as a side effect of the RHD and others being brought in. what i asked for was not a lengthy argument over source material, but for HELPFUL ideas and feedback that will actually do something meaningful.

[Bombast]

dante245, on 19 January 2018 - 01:48 AM, said:

first off..the argument is really not helping. in an effort for accuracy..you seem to forget that MWO is a dying game, IS is far behind in factions over Clan, and PGI knows it. frankly any excuse to reinvigorate the game and still stay at least somewhat with in cannon should be the goal.

Ok, lets be real - This has absolutely nothing to do with 'reinvigorating the game.' Its about getting your pet faction in the game. That's fine, but don't fib about it.

dante245, on 19 January 2018 - 01:48 AM, said:

...no one has made any attempt to argue for improvements in this area, like out worlds alliance or Comstar or any other faction not mainstream.

ComStar as a faction has been brought up, as has been the periphery factions.

dante245, on 19 January 2018 - 01:48 AM, said:

what i asked for was not a lengthy argument over source material, but for HELPFUL ideas and feedback that will actually do something meaningful.

Well, tough. People don't like your idea. Deal with it.

[Mongrel714]

If it's in the timeline I say yes. Ghost Bears calling in distance!

[Mister Glitchdragon]

dante245, on 19 January 2018 - 01:48 AM, said:

no one has made any attempt to argue for improvements in this area, like out worlds alliance or Comstar or any other faction not mainstream

I know there used to be a significant subset of Capellan Confederacy players who swore allegiance to the St. Ives Compact, had their own website and everything, pushing for in-game recognition and their own livery.

[Khanur]

I'm in favor of this 100%. Even if the date of the dominion forming is a little early in the game it's still a good idea and should at least be considered and I think that it should be brought into the game. What's the harm if it is brought in?

[dante245]

naterist, on 18 January 2018 - 02:09 PM, said:

sure, while your at it merge clan nova cat with dc, and claim some of the wolves joined steiner. then split it so frr can take 2 IS mechs and 2 clan mechs. give dc and steiner 1 clan mech, and 3 IS mechs. then give davion, liao, and marik higher tonnages, but they must bring only IS mechs.

clanside changes would be to claim the jade falcons and wolves suffered so much in the refusal war that they had to use slavaged IS tech, so they each get 1 IS mech, 3 clan mechs, the other clans should all get higher tonnages, but only clan mechs.

for faction balance, it may also help if clan diamond shark, being best known as the only clan willing to trade with IS houses, had the ability to run 2 clan mechs, 2 IS mechs. that way both sides of the conflict have a max of a half and half dropdeck.

Good idea

[Norman Knight]

YES!

[dante245]

it might just be about getting my units themed faction in the game..but its still not a bad idea and would go along way to try and bridge the divide "socially, not mechanically" between IS and Clan players..as this would be the first "and i think only" true hybrid loyalist faction" both Clan and Inner Sphere combined" something never done before.

[Tetatae Squawkins]

I can see why people get confused by Sarna articles. They often cover multiple time periods or even only one time period without clearly stating what era the information is from.

Edited by Tetatae Squawkins, 28 July 2018 - 11:40 AM.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Yeonne Greene, on 18 January 2018 - 05:55 PM, said:

Ah yes, the only faction more Mary Sue than both Davion and Wolf.

I don't know about that, but then again, I like the Rasalhague Dominion so I'm definitely biased and I'll admit I haven't paid any attention to post jihad lore much.

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 26 July 2018 - 08:50 PM.

[Thorn Hallis]

What for? It's just the GB Dominion with some extra planets.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Thorn Hallis, on 26 July 2018 - 09:25 PM, said:

What for? It's just the GB Dominion with some extra planets.

I mean, it's just the GBD finally merging with FRR. I mean, what else is the FRR gonna do with just a few worlds?

[Black Ivan]

Faction means nothing, so why create another one for a fancy crest and nothing more?

[dante245]

another great reason to FIX FW. like people though they would at the onset of Solaris 7, at least this gives the shared clan/IS faction a staging ground. but the idea would be that if they see enough trouble to add new features to FW, then maybe they will see why it needs to be revamped into FW 2.0. AND they desperately need to draw players back to MWO. so even if some extra decals does that...is it not worth it in the end?