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[An Innocent Urbie]

whoever have come up with that idea should think about the life choices he/she made

[The6thMessenger]

An Innocent Urbie, on 23 January 2018 - 04:18 AM, said:

whoever have come up with that idea should think about the life choices he/she made

I know right? They could have just used the usual overheating-mg that has proven to work on various FPS, they could have given it fixed 40/50 damage for the RAC2/5, 5s of firing time by 100% jam chance on redline, gauge 4.5s dissipation time -- and now we have a properly defined "minigun". But PGI's "nah man, lets give RACs garbage mechanics -- and make RAC2 borderline useless"

Nevermind, i read that RAC than UAC.

Edited by The6thMessenger, 23 January 2018 - 05:39 AM.

[Aidan Crenshaw]

Poor Urbie is talking U-ACs rather than R-ACs. On that topic, I don't mind the RNG, it's the risk you take.

[An Innocent Urbie]

Aidan Crenshaw, on 23 January 2018 - 04:26 AM, said:

Poor Urbie is talking U-ACs rather than R-ACs. On that topic, I don't mind the RNG, it's the risk you take.

what risk? it is just plain dumb! firing for the first time and you get a jammed UAC? where is the logic in that?

[Aidan Crenshaw]

Oh sorry, it's THAT thread again. I haven't said anything... (except it's not happening )

[Kotzi]

Well, either dont doubletap or use AC. Thats the mechanic and difference between those weapons. Its great to have choices and different flavor. MWO is stale enough as it is. Dont make all the weapons the same.

[ZaccaR]

thing is that it jams even if you dont doubbletab and that makes every uac a no go for me. let it jam when i doubbletab but not on a normal keypress.

[Mcgral18]

Aidan Crenshaw, on 23 January 2018 - 04:58 AM, said:

Oh sorry, it's THAT thread again. I haven't said anything... (except it's not happening )

There's video evidence of it happening
Likely related to networking of latency, thinking a non double tap actually was a double tap because of server VS client mismatch.

[An Innocent Urbie]

Kotzi, on 23 January 2018 - 05:09 AM, said:

Well, either dont doubletap or use AC. Thats the mechanic and difference between those weapons. Its great to have choices and different flavor. MWO is stale enough as it is. Dont make all the weapons the same.

I was not doubletapping, as I have said one volley and there you get UAC JAM! you have to wait for a very long time before you can fire again

ZaccaR, on 23 January 2018 - 06:40 AM, said:

thing is that it jams even if you dont doubbletab and that makes every uac a no go for me. let it jam when i doubbletab but not on a normal keypress.

well it did for me twice consecutively
My Mistake I tried it now in testing ground and it never jammed, maybe I tapped again even before the bar was fully gone so that could be the case my bad on the "not double tapping" claim

Edited by An Innocent Urbie, 23 January 2018 - 07:06 AM.

[PocketYoda]

If its RNG why does it always jam when your target goes over an enemy mech..

Kotzi, on 23 January 2018 - 05:09 AM, said:

Well, either dont doubletap or use AC. Thats the mechanic and difference between those weapons. Its great to have choices and different flavor. MWO is stale enough as it is. Dont make all the weapons the same.

Nothing to do with double tap.. its a server latency issue, so many times my uac double fires and i've not double tapped at all its the server cannot keep up..

Edited by Samial, 23 January 2018 - 07:03 AM.

[Der Geisterbaer]

An Innocent Urbie, on 23 January 2018 - 04:18 AM, said:

whoever have come up with that idea should think about the life choices he/she made

On the one hand you're barking up the wrong tree and on the other you're mistaking a technical issue with a "flaw" in the mechanic as such:
1. The RNG nature of UAC jam stems from the TT ans is - there as well as here - supposed to be random in nature whenever you utilize the "ultra" aspect of these weapons => No reason to question life choices because "working as intended".
2. Since you seem to experience UAC jams even when not utilizing the "ultra" aspect that would indicate either a flawed implementation that make jam tests even on single-taps or other problems where single-taps are interpreted as double-taps => Again no reason to question life choices of the person who had the original idea. At best you can blame the one who made the faulty implementation at worst you're seeing a technical issue that cannot be resolved without facing other more serious performance issues.

Edited by Der Geisterbaer, 23 January 2018 - 08:58 AM.

[nehebkau]

@OP

One of the biggest ignored issues with standard RNGs is that there is a high potential to pull the same numbers out of the generator if you make very rapid successive pulls. (not very random unless you find a random noise source to reseed prior to each call). I believe, in the sped-up, full load environment that the servers run on this might the cause of some of the issues of UAC jamming.

Sadly I don't think most people have a clue about this issue, which has been an issue in I.T. for the past 40 years. Takes a conscientious developer to avoid it.

[El Bandito]

Samial, on 23 January 2018 - 07:01 AM, said:

Nothing to do with double tap.. its a server latency issue, so many times my uac double fires and i've not double tapped at all its the server cannot keep up..

Many times it is actually the players' fault. They hold down the button for single fire, let go of the button when they don't have a target, and then hold it down again when an enemy presents itself before the autocannon cools down--and that is rightfully counted as double tapping, with jam chance. Then those players are left wondering just how the hell they got jammed without repeatedly smashing the keyboard.

Edited by El Bandito, 23 January 2018 - 08:47 AM.

[HGAK47]

UAC`s when the jam god is on your side = UNLIMITED POWER Muhahaha!
UAC's when the jam god has abandonded you = "aww man.....awrr noo... f**king things suck"

[lazorbeamz]

When you aim you roll for RNG : you either hit or miss. terrible truth? you cant live anymore?

[BTGbullseye]

HGAK47, on 23 January 2018 - 08:53 AM, said:

UAC`s when the jam god is on your side = UNLIMITED POWER Muhahaha!
UAC's when the jam god has abandonded you = "aww man.....awrr noo... f**king things suck"

Can 100% confirm.

MCII-B with dual UAC20:
1. Staredown between me on my team, and a KCrab +SNV on the other... Facetanked all of my armor away, but CT corred both of the enemy at max fire rate, no jams. Won the match with 4 KMDD.
2. Staredown between me and a KDK-3 on my team, and a Spirit Bear on the other... It took us both out, because we would get a jam every other shot on all of our guns.

RNG is a b**ch.

Edited by BTGbullseye, 23 January 2018 - 03:54 PM.