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[Guffrus]

Im sorry but laser ams is completely broken, it just doesnt do enough to be worth the heat.

Its so hot, absolutely insanely hot, its way too much.

Presumably this is something to do with table top, I frankly couldnt care less about tabletop it has nothing to do with mwo. If anything mwo is showing tabletop how it should be balanced, not the other way around.

Its so niche right now, the only time you could even consider using it would be on a mech, perhaps like the recently released piranha with all mgs where you have no heat generating weapons at all or on some weird troll flamer build where you wanted ams but didnt want an ammo explosion risk.

Its really just far too hot, thats it. Right now, even with only one on an ice map it will basically shut you down all by itself, thats complete madness.

I just dont understand how you can even go live with something like that and not see how utterly broken it is.

I get that you dont want it to just completely replace the standard ams, I dont want that either, but the heat generated by it should eat into your ability to deal out damage, it should not completely remove your ability to deal damage, which is what it currently does.

It is at least 3 times hotter than it should be, maybe 10 times hotter, maybe even more than that? I dont really know exactly, all i do know is that its far too hot as it is right now.

Can you please just cut the heat down from 3ps to 1ps and see where we are with that?

Guffrus

[BTGbullseye]

I almost always run with one on my MCIIs... Unless it's a constant rain of fire, I still cool down, otherwise it just stays a constant temp.

[Throe]

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Edited by Throe, 12 December 2018 - 06:00 PM.

[BTGbullseye]

It is indeed fine as-is. Very balanced.

[Vlad Striker]

It's hot but on very specific mech having high AMS boost and having multiple AMS hardpoints.

[Kaeb Odellas]

Throe, on 30 January 2018 - 04:28 PM, said:

It never jams, it never has to stop firing unless your 'Mech shuts down or you intentionally turn it off, and there is no functional limit on the number of missiles it can shoot down.

You have an excellent low heat AMS option, and that is the original unit with ammunition.

I don't think the standard AMS jams either.

The main issue with laser AMS is that the standard version just does the job much better since it doesn't cut into your damage output by producing heat. Also, the IS laser AMS is far less convenient to mount than the IS standard AMS since it takes up the same weight and slots, but can't be separated into two components the way the standard AMS and ammo can.

Also, AMS is supposed to mitigate missile damage as you approach the enemy. It's not supposed to be something you rely on the entire match. If 1 ton ammo per AMS isn't enough to last you the whole match, it means you're not pushing aggressively enough.

[Horseman]

IMO the real problem with LAMS isn't how hot it runs, but rather that it can overheat you into shutdown. If it regulated firing rate based on your heat level (50% reduction if your mech exceeds 50% heat, turning off completely if you reach 80%) there would be no issue.

[BTGbullseye]

Horseman, on 01 February 2018 - 07:55 AM, said:

IMO the real problem with LAMS isn't how hot it runs, but rather that it can overheat you into shutdown. If it regulated firing rate based on your heat level (50% reduction if your mech exceeds 50% heat, turning off completely if you reach 80%) there would be no issue.

And that's why they introduced a hotkey to turn it on/off.

Mechs are a grand contradiction of automation and manual control. It's not QWOP, but almost everything else is controlled and managed manually, with little being automatic. (even though it should be logically possible to use the AMS targeting system to auto-fire weapons at enemy targets when they're close)