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[Racerxintegra2k]

If the PSR was reset and the cream of the crop was allowed to rise, wouldn't that help with match quality ?

[MrMadguy]

What's the point, if it's biased towards increasing? It's just an XP bar. It should be fixed first.

Initial bias comes from simple fact, that rating decrease is smaller, than rating increase:



But it's not all. Without at least 2x multiplier for victory rating changes, guys like me would never be able to climb to Tier 1-2 with stats, typical for Tier 4 player:

Edited by MrMadguy, 27 January 2018 - 06:45 AM.

[Racerxintegra2k]

MrMadguy, on 27 January 2018 - 06:04 AM, said:

What's the point, if it's biased towards increasing? It should be fixed first.

The point is all the Tier 3 pilots that took a year+ to get into Tier 1 ... need to go back to Tier 3 it'll take another year before Tier 1 gets flooded again.

[MrMadguy]

Racerxintegra2k, on 27 January 2018 - 06:06 AM, said:

The point is all the Tier 3 pilots that took a year+ to get into Tier 1 ... need to go back to Tier 3 it'll take another year before Tier 1 gets flooded again.

It had taken Christmas event alone for me to climb from half Tier 3 to Tier 2. You can't even imagine, how biased PSR is. Situation will be exactly the same after just several weeks.

[Jay Leon Hart]

Racerxintegra2k, on 27 January 2018 - 06:06 AM, said:

The point is all the Tier 3 pilots that took a year+ to get into Tier 1 ... need to go back to Tier 3 it'll take another year before Tier 1 gets flooded again.

I'm inclined to agree - come join me back in T3!

[The Amazing Atomic Spaniel]

Racerxintegra2k, on 27 January 2018 - 05:56 AM, said:

If the PSR was reset and the cream of the crop was allowed to rise, wouldn't that help with match quality ?

No, because it wouldn't increase the number of players or change their actual skill levels. All it would do is mean that genuine T1 players (of which I am most definitely not one) would never get a match without having had to wait for ages.

[adamts01]

Reworking the entire system won't happen at this stage of the game. But I think the simple change of splitting the population evenly among the tiers would be a massive help. You'd have to knock someone down to move up. This alone would remove the XP bar and more or less get people where they need to be.

[El Bandito]

Racerxintegra2k, on 27 January 2018 - 05:56 AM, said:

If the PSR was reset and the cream of the crop was allowed to rise, wouldn't that help with match quality ?

Yes, should PGI do soft resets and drop everyone's tier by two, every 3-4 months, then it would be far better experience. Naturally no one should drop back to T5 once they get out of it, to avoid fresh newbies getting seal clubbed.

The Amazing Atomic Spaniel, on 27 January 2018 - 07:09 AM, said:

No, because it wouldn't increase the number of players or change their actual skill levels. All it would do is mean that genuine T1 players (of which I am most definitely not one) would never get a match without having had to wait for ages.

Perhaps, but I want PGI to at least try out the PSR reset cause it is not hard to do and can have positive outcome. They can reverse it after a week of experimentation, should they choose to.

Edited by El Bandito, 27 January 2018 - 07:22 AM.

[MrMadguy]

You try to cure consequence - not reason. No resets would be needed, if PSR system would work properly - i.e. for example Tier 4 players wouldn't climb to Tier 2, like me. And "small population" - isn't good argument. Population is small exactly because game experience is bad. May be PSR won't work properly anyway, but at least game will have a chance to recover at some point. For example, yeah, with current population matchmaking will be broken anyway. But players return to game from time to time to test, how it feels. To participate in event. And there is a chance, that some of them will continue playing, if PSR will work properly and match them with players, who have proper skills.

[KodiakGW]

Jarl’s list matchmaking,

Period.

Edit: Here is an example of a game I just had.



Breakdown based on Jartl's list:
Nunber of 90th percentile
Winning - 4 - three are all top tier
Losing - 2

Number of 80th percentile
Winning - 4
Losing - 3

Number of 70th percentile
Winning - 1
Losing - 2

Number of 60th percentile
Winning - 1
Losing - 2

Number 50th percentile and less
Winning - 2
Losing - 3

Seem even? Is it fair for those sub 60% to be matched in a game with the highest? The majority matched against them? Would have been more even is used Jarl's list. That's just one screen shot. I'll keep adding my losses and you'll see a trend. Almost seems like the teams were stacked with so many top tiers on one side. Guess they need to keep the whales happy. I've got another one I'll post from earlier this month.

Edited by KodiakGW, 27 January 2018 - 12:40 PM.

[Novakaine]

Been stuck in T2 a whole year.
The crap don't even work.

[KodiakGW]

This one from just before my running premium time ran out.



Breakdown from Jarl's list
Nunber of 90th percentile
Winning - 2
Losing - 1

Number of 80th percentile
Winning - 3
Losing - 1

Number of 70th percentile
Winning - 2
Losing - 1

Number of 60th percentile
Winning - 4
Losing - 0

Humber 50th percentile and less
Winning - 1
Losing - 9

Seem even? NOPE!

[KodiakGW]

And here is my list one for a while. Wanted to get 4x XP on this mech, but not when the MM stacks three 99th percentiles on one team. Nope, done. Play my alt account from now until Solaris.



Nunber of 90th percentile
Winning - 5 - and all 5 are top tier, 3 in 99th percentile
Losing - 2 - neither above 95 percentile

Number of 80th percentile
Winning - 1
Losing - 3

Number of 70th percentile
Winning - 2
Losing - 5

Number of 60th percentile
Winning - 2
Losing - 2

Number 50th percentile and less
Winning - 2
Losing - 0

And I can hear it now. "But, but, the losing team had more in the 80th and 70th percentile!!! Nothing wrong here!!!"

[Tarl Cabot]

Novakaine, on 27 January 2018 - 09:49 AM, said:

Been stuck in T2 a whole year.
The crap don't even work.

I have been stuck in Tier 1 max for 8months? It sucks at times for a variety of reasons and I am definitely not "Tier 1" Elite

But.. have you reviewed your average match score over the past 18 seasons (months)? More than half of of the seasons match score has not broken 200MS, and approx 50% of the damage makes up the match score. Do you split up your time between solo and group w/small teams?

Edited by Tarl Cabot, 27 January 2018 - 02:12 PM.

[BumbleBee]

If each Tier had some kind of offset or modifier to the XP Bar moving things would be much better

Tier 1 = -2 to move
Tier 2 = -1 to move
Tier 3 = no modifier
Tier 4 = +1 to move
Tier 5 = +2 to move

It would be geared to move everyone into Tier 3, but the best pilots would gradually move up, and the worst of the worst would still move down

Edited by BumbleBee, 27 January 2018 - 08:30 PM.

[Sigmar Sich]

I would actually love the reset, even without tweaks to PSR system. Tweaks would be welcome though.
I think we should ask for this when / if 8v8 games come back.

[Khobai]

whats the point in resetting if it they dont fix it

well just end up back in the same place

and the game will be all screwed up in the meantime with tier1s and tier5s in the same games

[Brain Cancer]

Racerxintegra2k, on 27 January 2018 - 05:56 AM, said:

If the PSR was reset and the cream of the crop was allowed to rise, wouldn't that help with match quality ?

A reset is meaningless unless and until PSR itself is fundamentally rebuilt. We all float down here, and a reset doesn't change that. It just pushes the turds down to float back to the top, a process that will not stop until it's 1) Actually harder to gain tier bar as you go up the ranks and 2) PGI doesn't want plenty of fodder to insure the eternal whales have a well-filled matchmaker.

[MrMadguy]

I don't know. I guess, main intention behind PSR - is to give players illusion of progression and make them overestimate their skill. I.e., yeah, it's just XP bar. It should give "Wo-ho, I have progression!" and "Wo-ho, I'm in top Tier, so I must be extremely skilled!" feeling to their players.

[Xetelian]

I fully support a reset.