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[Dragonporn]

1. Are there any values I can look up which indicate how much heat dissipation and build up penalty I get for specific mech components destroyed, which do not have any heatsinks installed into them?
2. How do Single Heatsinks working for you so far, folks? Can you say that it is an option to pick for any non-Assault/non heatsink boat mechs post tweaks a while ago?

[Dragonporn]

Bump.

Really? Nothing to say?... Anyone?

[Ghogiel]

Dragonporn, on 10 October 2018 - 03:23 PM, said:

1. Are there any values I can look up which indicate how much heat dissipation and build up penalty I get for specific mech components destroyed, which do not have any heatsinks installed into them?
2. How do Single Heatsinks working for you so far, folks? Can you say that it is an option to pick for any non-Assault/non heatsink boat mechs post tweaks a while ago?

1:the only time you get a penalty for having a destroyed component without losing heatsinks as well is with clan XL and IS light engine side torsos. Can't remember off the top of my head, it's like 40% reduction to capacity and disapation.
2: not imo. It just made the builds that were already used singles better, nothing new really.

[Monkey Lover]

Anything we say about heatsinks will most likely change in the next patch.

[process]

Dragonporn, on 10 October 2018 - 03:23 PM, said:

1. Are there any values I can look up which indicate how much heat dissipation and build up penalty I get for specific mech components destroyed, which do not have any heatsinks installed into them?
2. How do Single Heatsinks working for you so far, folks? Can you say that it is an option to pick for any non-Assault/non heatsink boat mechs post tweaks a while ago?

1. There's no penalty to heat dissipation and capacity when losing a component which doesn't have any heatsinks installed -- you can't lose what you never had. Losing a side torso with an LFE or cXL engine produces a penalty to heat dissipation and capacity for only the heatsinks that were provided with the engine -- typically the first 10 heatsinks unless you have a sub-250 engine.

I can't recall the LFE/cXL penalty values, but 40% sounds about right.

2. SHS only seem to be beneficial for certain energy builds that have lots of tonnage to spare, i.e. very specific assault builds. They also have niche use for lighter IS mechs with sub-250 engines that need to hit 10 minimum heatsinks, but don't have the crit space for DHS. This is for your gag Gauss or AC20 light builds.

[WrathOfDeadguy]

Dragonporn, on 10 October 2018 - 03:23 PM, said:

2. How do Single Heatsinks working for you so far, folks? Can you say that it is an option to pick for any non-Assault/non heatsink boat mechs post tweaks a while ago?

process, on 12 October 2018 - 01:01 PM, said:

2. SHS only seem to be beneficial for certain energy builds that have lots of tonnage to spare, i.e. very specific assault builds. They also have niche use for lighter IS mechs with sub-250 engines that need to hit 10 minimum heatsinks, but don't have the crit space for DHS. This is for your gag Gauss or AC20 light builds.

^ This.

The breakpoint for SHS out-performing DHS is still somewhere around 40 (on an IS 'Mech which can only take ~20 DHS, though on Clan it'd be higher because their DHS are smaller so you can take 30 or more). Because the first ten engine sinks are true 2.0 doubles with DHS, you're still getting ~7 free sinks just by upgrading even after the SHS buffs. Unless your main limiting factor is your slot count rather than tonnage, you're just never going to make it to the point where your SHS count would exceed your DHS count by enough to matter because the gap only gets wider as you add more sinks no matter how small the individual sink advantage of DHS is. SHS only even starts to play catch-up when the 'Mech is completely out of slots for more DHS.

So... no. You're still only going to see SHS on assault heatsink boats and fringe builds like the AC20 Raven.

[process]

Right now, upgrading to DHS is almost completely mandatory and serves as nothing more than a new mech tax. The only way I see there being a meaningful choice between SHS and DHS is to make the first 10 engine heatsinks DHS for both types. Then there can be actual decision making between weight and crit space, especially for IS mechs that can't fit DHS in certain components.

Edited by process, 12 October 2018 - 01:13 PM.

[WrathOfDeadguy]

I'd do something very different... make SHS have a higher heat cap but vastly lower dissipation. DHS would have high dissipation but a low heat cap. Thus, the two pieces of equipment have different roles, and appeal to different playstyles.

[Daggett]

WrathOfDeadguy, on 12 October 2018 - 02:58 PM, said:

I'd do something very different... make SHS have a higher heat cap but vastly lower dissipation. DHS would have high dissipation but a low heat cap. Thus, the two pieces of equipment have different roles, and appeal to different playstyles.

This will kinda happen in the next patch although the rather small SHS heat cap advantage will most likely not be able to compete with the huge DHS dissipation. Overall SHS will get nerfed while DHS will perform much better than before for many DPS builds.

Edited by Daggett, 12 October 2018 - 04:03 PM.