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[SoYFooD]

dear PGI.
fafnir engine rating max 325?
i mean they come standard whit a 300?

the norm is 120% of standard engine
now 300 time 1.2 is 360.

325 is the death nail of many mech's.
i will not buy if this is not corrected or a grantee that it will get special quirks.
like more armor to offset en engine cap to give it a different feel but as it stands this is bull.

PGI PLEASE

[FupDup]

While it is fairly inconsistent, on the other hand what kind of viable loadout would you create using a 360 engine anyways?

Remember that you can't XL because it's a fat IS assault. You'd have to have a huge LFE or STD. Now consider that for most variants you will probably want to emphasize ballistic weapons that are plenty heavy on their own. At this point you may as well go down to a slightly smaller assault mech to achieve similar mobility at a more efficient engine weight.

PGI is basically preventing you from making stupid over-engined builds...yay?

Edited by FupDup, 05 January 2018 - 04:08 PM.

[justcallme A S H]

So it's no different in cap to many other assaults.

The engine size is literally the least of ones worries for the mech...

[process]

You're gonna be blowing most of the weight on ballistics anyway. Most variants don't have enough energy and maybe missile hardpoints to make use of a larger engine.

[Bombast]

If the Cicada can have a smaller engine cap than the Assassin, than the Fafnir can have a smaller one than the Atlas as well.

[Kubernetes]

Does someone really want to put a 360 LFE in this thing?

[Trenchbird]

FupDup, on 05 January 2018 - 04:07 PM, said:

While it is fairly inconsistent, on the other hand what kind of viable loadout would you create using a 360 engine anyways?

These are all assuming you are using ECM-compatible variants that are not hero variants.

=Build 1=
(Armor shaved to 57 on legs, max in every other location. Stealth Armor.)
LFE 360
2X Gauss, 5X tons Gauss Ammo
4X ERML (Or ML)
1X GECM

=Build 2=
(Armor shaved to 73 on legs, max in every other location. Standard Armor.)
LFE 360
2X AC/20, 4X-6X tons AC/20 Ammo
4X ERML (Or ML)
1X GECM (Or extra 1.5X tons AC/20 Ammo, personal choice)

More builds along these lines, notably ones that don't use ECM or use more varied loadouts (Such as the ballistic-armed 6U, which would benefit with reducing the LPPCs to MPLs and getting some extra speed out of the deal). Basically, you can run a lot of slightly more mobile designs with a 360 engine, even if it's not always optimal for the loadout. For example, by downgrading the LFE a bit to a more sane rating, you can mount ECM+Stealth+twinGauss+twin ERPPC and stealth armor poke. IE, it's not always optimal to run a 360, but viable builds are possible with it and it is extremely nice to have the option.

EDIT; Note that in the above cases the machine could be considered relatively undergunned compared to some competition. I personally would run in the 340-350 range for a bit more laser backup or heat dissipation, but having the option to go to 360 is once again nice to have.

Edited by Catten Hart, 05 January 2018 - 04:36 PM.

[SoYFooD]

Kubernetes, on 05 January 2018 - 04:32 PM, said:

Does someone really want to put a 360 LFE in this thing?

NO
350 YES

[Y E O N N E]

The 350 didn't do the NSR-9FC much good. It won't do this one any better. Not enough energy hardpoints to matter.

[Lozruet Gravemind]

SoYFooD, on 05 January 2018 - 04:04 PM, said:

dear PGI.
fafnir engine rating max 325?
i mean they come standard whit a 300?

the norm is 120% of standard engine
now 300 time 1.2 is 360.

325 is the death nail of many mech's.
i will not buy if this is not corrected or a grantee that it will get special quirks.
like more armor to offset en engine cap to give it a different feel but as it stands this is bull.

PGI PLEASE

Once you reach a certain weight on engine size you start seeing reduced returns. Also Yes this is a FPS but IS Assaults where kind of always slow plodding weapons platforms, not much speed but a **** ton of firepower, the engine size fits that style.

[Mechrophilia]

Hopefully the low engine cap means that PGI plans to heavily quirk its armor despite ECM!

[Xavori]

Mechrophilia, on 05 January 2018 - 04:49 PM, said:

Hopefully the low engine cap means that PGI plans to heavily quirk its armor despite ECM!

ROFL

Wait? Are you serious?

*laughs harder*

[Trenchbird]

Xavori, on 05 January 2018 - 04:52 PM, said:

ROFL

Wait? Are you serious?

*laughs harder*

"Wow, thanks Caedis, for linking the far better version!"

Not a problem, my man. (Text only does it so much justice, IMO.)

[KodiakGW]

Need to figure out which lights I’m going to run the weekend after these are released. Hoping for Armor quirks.

Maybe even get a MLX...

[Opus Krokus]

Personally I don't care if it fits the play style. Without any explanation so far, they are deviating from an expectation that they set.

I play solely for fun. What works for a mech's playstyle is a matter of opinion and experience. Sometimes I like to try out wacked out builds that look fun (in my mind) to play. Most of the time I get smashed in them, but occasionally I find something that works for my play style. I intellectually know most of these builds won't work, but I like to prove it to myself and am occasionally surprised. In the end, I don't care if it is a "stupid" build, I am having fun playing my mech how I want.

Any restrictions reduce choice. They have already set arbitrary restrictions on the engine size. I would at least like to hear the reasoning behind why they made this decision. If it dealing with the ECM, are they going to nerf the D-DC?

It would be nice if this were some kind of typo, but I doubt it...

[Kaeb Odellas]

Mechrophilia, on 05 January 2018 - 04:49 PM, said:

Hopefully the low engine cap means that PGI plans to heavily quirk its armor despite ECM!

The ECM Stalker still doesn't have any quirks.

[Jay Leon Hart]

Mentioned it in the announcement thread. No response. Oh well.

[Gas Guzzler]

Opus Krokus, on 31 January 2018 - 07:05 AM, said:

Personally I don't care if it fits the play style. Without any explanation so far, they are deviating from an expectation that they set.

Well, they gave the Annihilator a generous bonus on engine cap. The problem is if the were to give this a higher engine cap and ECM there is too much of an advantage over the Annihilator.

Honestly, I don't mind, I haven't come up with a build that would make use of a 325 let alone a 350.

Edited by Gas Guzzler, 31 January 2018 - 10:04 AM.

[Internal Obedience XIII-omega]

Personally i like to view the Fafnir as a slightly better alternative to the Annihilator when it comes to toting big guns. It is possible you could load it similar to the Annihilator. A 325 rating is exceptional in my book. And pumping a 360 into it leaves very little room or choices for big guns. God forbid should i see MGs on the Fafnir.

[Y E O N N E]

Gas Guzzler, on 31 January 2018 - 10:04 AM, said:

Well, they gave the Annihilator a generous bonus on engine cap. The problem is if the were to give this a higher engine cap and ECM there is too much of an advantage over the Annihilator.

Honestly, I don't mind, I haven't come up with a build that would make use of a 325 let alone a 350.

2x AC/10 + 2x HPPC on the 5B for an IS KDK-3 facsimile. Gets 15 DHS and a TC2, even.