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[LordFatman]

its the imbalance of this game

[Windscape]

LordFatman, on 15 February 2018 - 08:56 AM, said:

its the imbalance of this game

WHOA

[Throe]

Edward Scissorhands, on 09 February 2018 - 04:19 PM, said:

sometimes I think pgi is allergic to money. from a business standpoint, wait times like this should be unacceptable... there are a lot of things that could be done differently but are not.. its that simple.. my vote is now with my dollars.

It's very much a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" problem for them, since some will complain either way. If they put in a simultaneous Quick Play challenge at the same time as a Faction Play challenge, there are complaints of being "forced" to play Faction Play(especially true as in the case of the 'Mech they gave away around Christmas). If they put in a Quick Play challenge with no Faction Play counterpart, there are complaints that they are "killing Faction Play"(see the original post in this thread, basically).

[Ssamout]

Lady Alexandra Cousland, on 09 February 2018 - 03:17 PM, said:

It seems to be even longer if you pug drop.

It usually is a lot longer is you pug drop, bcause although people keep up the mantra that there is no matchmaker, there is. And surprise; its main and only focus is trying to match groups against groups (although its not working as well as it should..) ..

When you queue up as a group, you go next in line for next drop, and the bigger your group is, the faster you get a match. Pugs are shoved on the side and served as a filler as needed in the order they queued up. As a result you may be the sorry *** pug that gets shoved to the side several times while waiting for a match if there are a lot of big groups queuing up.

[Vagosei]

Group up in Cobra teamspeak..Drop together...Give BCMC hell . Nobody minds if ya'll use it. Don't drop solo if you can.

[Leone]

Ssamout, on 15 February 2018 - 11:11 AM, said:

When you queue up as a group, you go next in line for next drop, and the bigger your group is, the faster you get a match. Pugs are shoved on the side and served as a filler as needed in the order they queued up. As a result you may be the sorry *** pug that gets shoved to the side several times while waiting for a match if there are a lot of big groups queuing up.

Neg. With low population twelve mechwarriors grouped up will get the match faster cuz they're already twelve, whilst the individual mechwarriors are still trying to get a group, but if the queue is already filled with twelve waiting then the full group will hafta wait in line.

Most folk just prefer to pre group because they know they wont hafta wait for a twelfth, and cuz they don't wanna gamble on the pug lotto.

~Leone.

[Ssamout]

Leone, on 15 February 2018 - 11:37 AM, said:

Neg. With low population twelve mechwarriors grouped up will get the match faster cuz they're already twelve, whilst the individual mechwarriors are still trying to get a group, but if the queue is already filled with twelve waiting then the full group will hafta wait in line.

Most folk just prefer to pre group because they know they wont hafta wait for a twelfth, and cuz they don't wanna gamble on the pug lotto.

~Leone.

Neg. There is only one spot in the lobby. When the twelve is full then they are set in that lobby group or pug, and the next are waiting. If there are 5 pugs waiting and a 8 man group queues up, next set team in the lobby is that group and one sorry *** pug is left out. Then a 12 man queues up, and that same sorry *** pug is still left waiting.

[justcallme A S H]

Ssamout, on 15 February 2018 - 11:11 AM, said:

And surprise; its main and only focus is trying to match groups against groups

What you said was right till here, which I think Leone is trying to point out.

It will simply match whoever lobby vs lobby that pairs.

You are correct in that it gives priority to larger groups, but it is not "waiting" for a group on the other side. Just whoever is in the queue on that side, larger group takes priority.

Hence you can have a 12 man match against the same bunch of PUGs game after game because the 12-man requeues after match as the PUGs. The other side doesn't have a group and the MM doesn't "wait" for one to appear - It just fills 12 slots as fast as it can. Fastest way is with a larger group... If no group, anyone gets slapped in.

[Ssamout]

justcallme A S H, on 15 February 2018 - 08:35 PM, said:

What you said was right till here, which I think Leone is trying to point out.

It will simply match whoever lobby vs lobby that pairs.

You are correct in that it gives priority to larger groups, but it is not "waiting" for a group on the other side. Just whoever is in the queue on that side, larger group takes priority.

Hence you can have a 12 man match against the same bunch of PUGs game after game because the 12-man requeues after match as the PUGs. The other side doesn't have a group and the MM doesn't "wait" for one to appear - It just fills 12 slots as fast as it can. Fastest way is with a larger group... If no group, anyone gets slapped in.

Yeah, so it does. I was kinda trying to make fun of the bad system, as I have been "that sorry *** pug left waiting" so many times, but joking on a third language doesnt always work out the way you would like.

[justcallme A S H]

lol yeh I get what you mean man, I think Leone missed it is all but everyone gets it with my super dumbed version

Conversing with many Russians/Latvians and similar has made my understanding of ESL much better

[50 50]

Leone, on 15 February 2018 - 11:37 AM, said:

Neg. With low population twelve mechwarriors grouped up will get the match faster cuz they're already twelve

Or faster ghost drops because the other 12 players waiting for a drop are on the same side as you.
But ... whatever.

[iLLcapitan]

Ssamout, on 15 February 2018 - 11:11 AM, said:

It usually is a lot longer is you pug drop, bcause although people keep up the mantra that there is no matchmaker, there is. And surprise; its main and only focus is trying to match groups against groups (although its not working as well as it should..) ..

When you queue up as a group, you go next in line for next drop, and the bigger your group is, the faster you get a match. Pugs are shoved on the side and served as a filler as needed in the order they queued up. As a result you may be the sorry *** pug that gets shoved to the side several times while waiting for a match if there are a lot of big groups queuing up.

You got it wrong mate!!
The infernal MM in CW works the other way around, always trying to match pugs against groups!
Proof: I drop 5 times alone and almost always see a group on the other side, as soon as we make a little group ourselves we get nothing but pugs! Every night!

<3

[Yondu Udonta]

You would think that PGI knows better than to dump more events for QP. QP has enough players already, it is FP that needs the players. There's no bloody need to further give incentives to potato play. Give me more events for FP ffs, the last one we had was probably Tharkad if I remember correctly and that was almost 3 months ago?

Edited by Yondu the Ravager, 20 February 2018 - 09:44 PM.

[Fuerchtenichts]

iLLcapitan, on 20 February 2018 - 07:15 AM, said:

You got it wrong mate!!
The infernal MM in CW works the other way around, always trying to match pugs against groups!
Proof: I drop 5 times alone and almost always see a group on the other side, as soon as we make a little group ourselves we get nothing but pugs! Every night!

<3

Hmm, perhaps the time it takes you to setup a group yourself simply shifts you to another drop cycle (30min per round). So while you create a new group the opponent premade has already dropped and now you won't meet them again as long as there are enough players in the queue and you both nearly spend the same time per round.

It is more an indicator how few big premades are dropping in FP at the moment.

Edited by Fuerchtenichts, 21 February 2018 - 03:46 AM.

[iLLcapitan]

was more of a joke! it just happens so often that one becomes conspiracy minded.

lately drops have been good, we hardly get more than 4 together so that helps.

[Ssamout]

iLLcapitan, on 20 February 2018 - 07:15 AM, said:

You got it wrong mate!!
The infernal MM in CW works the other way around, always trying to match pugs against groups!
Proof: I drop 5 times alone and almost always see a group on the other side, as soon as we make a little group ourselves we get nothing but pugs! Every night!

&lt;3

Haha, I hear you. But u know, a little bit of paranoia n salt keep a mechwarrior healthy. Watch ur back and keep that alpha ready mate!