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[PocketYoda]

I'm partial to LBX and MRMs myself.. Its not really meta but its good a softening up targets.. That said i agree above on pulse weapons they seem far better even if their range is garbage.

[HammerMaster]

Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood, on 17 February 2018 - 06:05 PM, said:

Because shooting someone with 30 damage to one component assuming you can aim is an exploit.

Got any....dice?

[Brain Cancer]

N0ni, on 17 February 2018 - 05:35 PM, said:

There isn't an issue with convergence, what we have is what it was intended to be. Otherwise this would've been changed in Closed Beta.

Actually, what we have wasn't intended, but the only option available because the developers couldn't fix hitting things in any more graceful a manner than excising gradual convergence entirely. Because insufficient ability to recode the engine.

It's been a flaw in the system ever since.

[Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood]

HammerMaster, on 17 February 2018 - 06:21 PM, said:

Got any....dice?

Think you got the wrong game, tabletop's over there.

[HammerMaster]

Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood, on 17 February 2018 - 07:15 PM, said:

Think you got the wrong game, tabletop's over there.

I


Hahahahaha!
A Battletech game TM.

[FupDup]

HammerMaster, on 17 February 2018 - 07:24 PM, said:

I


Hahahahaha!
A Battletech game TM.

Battletech =/= Tabletop, because otherwise non-TT materials like the novels also wouldn't be considered BT.

[Mcgral18]

FupDup, on 17 February 2018 - 03:56 PM, said:

ADR-Prime, NVA-A, and SMN with double ERPPCs.

Sparky (Griff Hero) with HPPCs is also neat
Not sure there's a good Cbill analogue (Shaq Hawk 2k?)

[FupDup]

Mcgral18, on 17 February 2018 - 07:31 PM, said:

Sparky (Griff Hero) with HPPCs is also neat
Not sure there's a good Cbill analogue (Shaq Hawk 2k?)

B-b-b-but minimum range.

[Deathlike]

FupDup, on 17 February 2018 - 07:32 PM, said:

B-b-b-but minimum range.

Facehugging approved!

It's hard to recall the last time I wanted to run 2 PPCs at all though. It's always 2 CERPPCs or all teh laser vomit.

[Kin3ticX]

been messing with a jumpjetless highlander with 2xAC5, 2xHPPC. The B has massive armor quirks combined with skill tree. It has the PPFLD feel without the walking timebomb of 2xHGauss but im not claiming its meta or anything. Just 40 pts of PPFLD + a bit of old meta throwback.

Edited by Kin3ticX, 17 February 2018 - 07:57 PM.

[LordNothing]

i think the best ppfld would have to be my cac60 dire (2x10s, 2x20s). if you consider burst acs ppfld (i do because you can make all the shells hit one spot if you know how to aim and how to follow through). in 1v1 it can core anything and wont overheat after one shot, and after the second it wont matter.

[Kubernetes]

Kin3ticX, on 17 February 2018 - 07:56 PM, said:

been messing with a jumpjetless highlander with 2xAC5, 2xHPPC. The B has massive armor quirks combined with skill tree. It has the PPFLD feel without the walking timebomb of 2xHGauss but im not claiming its meta or anything. Just 40 pts of PPFLD + a bit of old meta throwback.

Yeah I loaded up my Dragon slayer with 2HPPCs and an AC10 last week. I've only run it a few times but it's been decent. I had a monstrous game with it on Canyon, poptarting to glory.

[evilauthor]

For an Inner Sphere Medium, you can actually pack twin HPPCs into the arm of a Shadow Hawk and still carry enough DHS to run reasonably cool. Don't expect much in the way of any secondary weapons for that pesky 90 meter minimum range unless you like carrying some token MGs.

Now, if I were a better shot and tactician, I might have actually made it work.

[WrathOfDeadguy]

evilauthor, on 17 February 2018 - 08:33 PM, said:

For an Inner Sphere Medium, you can actually pack twin HPPCs into the arm of a Shadow Hawk and still carry enough DHS to run reasonably cool. Don't expect much in the way of any secondary weapons for that pesky 90 meter minimum range unless you like carrying some token MGs.

Now, if I were a better shot and tactician, I might have actually made it work.

Why do that, when there's a Shad that can high shoulder mount them instead (use remaining 5 tons to taste)? You even still have room for panic weapons just in case something under-runs your peeps.

Metus regem, on 17 February 2018 - 04:49 PM, said:

I upgraded my YLW to a UAC/20 and man does it murder people...

I tried my Wang with a UAC20 when newtech first dropped, and it did kick a respectable volume of hindquarters... but having that snap-shot-and-twist capability? It's where the Centurion really shines as a chassis. The better you're able to leverage that shield arm, the more effective the Cent will be, and the quicker you can fire and twist... that was always what made the AH so strong, even though it really needed to run XL to bring out its best builds. It required less facetime.

YLW's one weakness before newtech, IMO, was that no matter what it did it couldn't run a true FLD build- it was fast, yeah; it had an AC20, yeah... but its quickest shot was 0.6s with MPLs. All of the Cents save for the AH had the same problem- either you forget the laser burn, or you sacrifice torso armor to return fire. With SNPPC, now it's instant. All of the Cents can carry snap-shot builds, and the Yen-Lo is a true precision counterpart to the raw power of the AH. I tried SNPPC+AC20 first after I saw it in a B33f clip (though I think he was running XL), and I fell in love instantly. It really is the perfect build for the 'Mech.

Edited by WrathOfDeadguy, 17 February 2018 - 09:07 PM.

[Metus regem]

WrathOfDeadguy, on 17 February 2018 - 08:49 PM, said:

Why do that, when there's a Shad that can high shoulder mount them instead (use remaining 5 tons to taste)? You even still have room for panic weapons just in case something under-runs your peeps.



I tried my Wang with a UAC20 when newtech first dropped, and it did kick a respectable volume of hindquarters... but having that snap-shot-and-twist capability? It's where the Centurion really shines as a chassis. The better you're able to leverage that shield arm, the more effective the Cent will be, and the quicker you can fire and twist... that was always what made the AH so strong, even though it really needed to run XL to bring out its best builds. It required less facetime.

YLW's one weakness before newtech, IMO, was that no matter what it did it couldn't run a true FLD build- it was fast, yeah; it had an AC20, yeah... but its quickest shot was 0.6s with MPLs. All of the Cents save for the AH had the same problem- either you forget the laser burn, or you sacrifice torso armor to return fire. With SNPPC, now it's instant. All of the Cents can carry snap-shot builds, and the Yen-Lo is a true precision counterpart to the raw power of the AH. I tried SNPPC+AC20 first after I saw it in a B33f clip (though I think he was running XL), and I fell in love instantly. It really is the perfect build for the 'Mech.

Whole true, 90 to 95% of the time, I'm in a flank position, so the short durations of the UAC/20 and MPL's are not much on an issue for me.. as for engine size I run either a 250 LFE or large XL engine depending on my mood.

[Y E O N N E]

Kin3ticX, on 17 February 2018 - 07:56 PM, said:

been messing with a jumpjetless highlander with 2xAC5, 2xHPPC. The B has massive armor quirks combined with skill tree. It has the PPFLD feel without the walking timebomb of 2xHGauss but im not claiming its meta or anything. Just 40 pts of PPFLD + a bit of old meta throwback.

You might as well save yourself the 4 tons and use the AC/10, which has a velocity even closer to the PPC than the AC/5.

[evilauthor]

WrathOfDeadguy, on 17 February 2018 - 08:49 PM, said:

Why do that, when there's a Shad that can high shoulder mount them instead (use remaining 5 tons to taste)? You even still have room for panic weapons just in case something under-runs your peeps.

Because I don't own that particular SHD variant and don't want to use one of my few remaining mech bays to buy one.

[Dogstar]

I was watching over Gas Guzzler's shoulder yesterday and he was rocking an Awesome 2xPPC+2xHPPC build and did some exceedingly good damage numbers. Going to try that one myself if I can work out the build

[HammerMaster]

To Koniving. Do you have video evidence of beta bloom reticle to post?

[Deathlike]

Dogstar, on 18 February 2018 - 09:16 AM, said:

I was watching over Gas Guzzler's shoulder yesterday and he was rocking an Awesome 2xPPC+2xHPPC build and did some exceedingly good damage numbers. Going to try that one myself if I can work out the build

Positioning. You either have it or you don't.

I'm just going to guess build it for you:
AWS-8Q

300LFE, 17 DHS - There are a lot of existing quirks on the 8Q, which should help negate the fact that it only has 17 DHS.